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Тема: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект


  Для участия в геногеографическом проекте "Полтавщина и ее заселение" приглашаются все желающие, чьи предки происходят с Полтавской земли.
  Под "Полтавщиной" в данном случае следует понимать территорию Полтавского полка / Полтавского уезда, куда в XVII веке переселялись козаки и посполитые Правобережной Украины. Также обращаю внимание к этой теме тех, чьи предки могут происходить с Брацлавщины или Подолья XVII века, а также тех, кто мог вернуться назад домой с Полтавщины в начале XVIII века.


  Project Website
www.familytreedna.com/public/poltavaregion/


ТЕРРИТОРИЯ ПОЛКА

В 1649 году (Зборовский договор) 19 сотен.
Полковой город - Полтава (3 сотни);
Сотенные города: Зиньков, Кобыляк, Опишне, Богачка, Бирки (слоботка), Кузимин (мисто), Бирки (мисто), Ковалевка (мистечко), Балаклыя, Лукомля, Веприк, Гадяч, Книшовка, Подолки (мисто), Рашивка, Лютенька.

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Карта Полтавского полка по А.Билоусько

К 1654 году (Присяга на подданство) в переписи появляются: Билоцеркивци (слоботка), Решетиливка (слоботка), Бильске (мисто), Старые Санжары (город), Новые Санжари (слоботка), Котельва (мисто), Грунь (город).

С 1660-х гг. территория полка значительно меняется. На базе Гадяцкого ключа создаются новые полки (Гадяцкий и Зиньковский). В нижнем Поворскле и Поорелю на землях Чигиринского полка и на незаселенных землях появляются новые сотни Полтавского полка - Келебердянская, Кишинска, Переволочанска, Соколска, Орелска, Китайгородска, Царичанска, Маяцка, Нефорощанска.

C конца 17 века территория Полтавского полка приобретает "классический" вид

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Правда в "традиционную" версию миграций не вписывается "кашубский" субклад Хуторянского   smile
6. ..>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP295-B (YP295 not tested; Big Y or Z280 SNP Pack needed)

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Результат Пишненко (жен) полностью обработали на Гедматч



Двоюродная тетя (2 плюс 3 разделить на 2 равно 2,5) для двоюродных братьев (2 плюс 2 разделить на 2 равно 2)



Для установления степени родства между первым и вторым Хуторянскими (с поправкой на двоюродного брата) нужно искать варианты в дереве с 9 поколенными переходами, то есть 5 (для дерева 1-го Хуторянского) плюс 4 (для дерева 2-го Хуторянского)


Тем более что ожидать родство приходится сразу по двум направлениям   smile

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Готов результат ФФ для Квач (жен) из Пирятина


Pіven'    44.44    7.91    15    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Dyachenko    35.08    18.44    8    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Pavelko    416.05    63.16    30    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
Kvach    1778.76    128.41    53    (Nephew)    Half Siblings, Grandparent/ Grandchild, Aunt/ Uncle, Niece/ Nephew


Получается мы с уважаемым Хуторянским еще раз родственники по Квачам (Пирятин) и
Гадяцкой / Роменской с выходом на Сумскую стороне   smile


4 Ancestors Oracle
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_South_Poland @ 6,282688
2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,378053
3 Ukrainian_Central @ 6,397225
4 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 6,714842
5 Slovak @ 7,151464
6 PL_average @ 7,172771
7 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 7,178955
8 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 7,992193
9 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 8,253568
10 Ukrainian_West @ 8,268027
11 Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,341218
12 PL_Wielkopolska @ 8,418867
13 Sorb_Lusatia @ 8,802142
14 PL_Mazovia @ 8,917438
15 Russian_Oryol @ 9,169704
16 Belarusian_Polesye @ 9,439199
17 Moldavian @ 9,619618
18 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 9,82083
19 Russian_Voronezh @ 9,875684
20 Belarusian_West @ 9,920361
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,531534
2 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,603288
3 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,725005
4 Ukrainian_Central+PL_South_Poland @ 5,727434
5 PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,73919
6 PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,830528
7 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,849628
8 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,882258
9 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,915439
10 Czechs_Moravians+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,91743
11 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,94591
12 Slovak+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,951044
13 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,961507
14 Slovak+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,020988
15 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,062747
16 Moldavian+PL_Mazovia @ 6,106916
17 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Mazovia @ 6,144743
18 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_average @ 6,173607
19 Slovak+PL_Mazovia @ 6,180906
20 Slovak+PL_average @ 6,181185
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,106345
2 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_South_Poland @ 5,181765
3 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 5,199455
4 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,220851
5 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,232721
6 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_average @ 5,246248
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,265781
8 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Serbian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 5,283062
9 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 5,297228
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,326949
11 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,328309
12 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,333417
13 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 5,338238
14 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,341512
15 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% PL_South_Poland @ 5,341882
16 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,350555
17 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 5,358057
18 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 5,375565
19 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Serbian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,376422
20 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,377838
10055718 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,106345
2 Croatian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,181765
3 Austria+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,199455
4 Austria+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,220851
5 Croatian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,225285
6 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,232721
7 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,233874
8 Croatian+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,236511
9 Croatian+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,246248
10 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,255996
11 Austria+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,265781
12 Serbian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,283062
13 Croatian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,292883
14 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,294024
15 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,297228
16 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,302379
17 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,304946
18 Croatian+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,307848
19 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,308585
20 Croatian+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,310214
21 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,313738
22 Croatian+Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,316535
23 Austria+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,326949
24 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,327062
25 Slovenian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,328309
26 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,333417
27 Croatian+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,334317
28 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,338238
29 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,341512
30 Slovenian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,341882
31 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,342889
32 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,344355
33 Croatian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,349059
34 Austria+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,350555
35 Croatian+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,358057
36 Serbian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,371785
37 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,375565
38 Serbian+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,376422
39 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,377838
40 Croatian+Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,381004
141180194 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,453271
2 Pl_Kashubians @ 3,754049
3 Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,968112
4 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,047638
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,122823
6 PL_average @ 4,146853
7 Russian_Oryol @ 4,166273
8 Slovak @ 4,28533
9 Ukrainian_West @ 4,286109
10 Russian_Bryansk @ 4,300849
11 Czechs_Moravians @ 4,344788
12 German_East @ 4,403845
13 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,429063
14 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,534622
15 Slovenian @ 4,551515
16 Belarusian_West @ 4,558723
17 Austria @ 4,56494
18 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,565582
19 Belarusian_East @ 4,6413
20 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,641375
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,331055
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,453271
3 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,481875
4 Austria+Lithuanian @ 3,492639
5 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,507988
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,548862
7 Belgium+Lithuanian @ 3,567349
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,582749
9 Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,597152
10 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,606506
11 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,615304
12 PL_SE_Carpathia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,61996
13 PL_average+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,622342
14 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,652743
15 Austria+Latvian @ 3,66131
16 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,690305
17 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,695672
18 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,69902
19 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,711063
20 Austria+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,714381
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,331055
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,348647
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,396825
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,408542
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Austria +25% Lithuanian @ 3,429248
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,432076
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,432771
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,435346
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,460401
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,46341
11 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,463612
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Austria +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,466714
13 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,46834
14 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,472132
15 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_average @ 3,475798
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,47772
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,478217
18 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,478701
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,479042
20 50% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,481875
12712868 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,331055
2 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,348647
3 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,396825
4 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,408542
5 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,432076
6 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,432771
7 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,435346
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,453271
9 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,460401
10 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,46341
11 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,463612
12 Austria+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,466714
13 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,46834
14 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,472132
15 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_average+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,475798
16 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_SE_Carpathia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,47772
17 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,478217
18 PL_Mazovia+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,478701
19 PL_Wielkopolska+Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,479042
20 Pl_Kashubians+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,481875
21 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,489214
22 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,489281
23 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,49096
24 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,491358
25 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,492275
26 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,49392
27 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,501469
28 Austria+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,501827
29 Pl_north+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,502458
30 Belarusian_East+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,50326
31 Austria+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,503348
32 Belarusian_West+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,50384
33 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_north+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,506846
34 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,507641
35 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,507988
36 Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,508216
37 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,509169
38 Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,509678
39 PL_average+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,514343
40 German_East+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,514393
364416935 iterations.


Что-то по второму методу Полтавской выборки не нахожу…
И вообще как-то использовать Оракул со старыми  averages  ну не совсем то   smile

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* Ага, она есть, только в комбинации с Сиверщиной !

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borisovichi пишет:

Во-первых, по Хуторянским:


Ждем аутосомы


Чуть меньше месяца прошло и готовы ФФ по всем трем Хуторянским  smile
Сегодня загрузили результаты третьего:


Polomij    42.72    9.17    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Kvach    427.42    44.30    26    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    318.33    66.78    27    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Okara    274.86    40.14    24    2nd Cousin    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin


Для сравнения результаты первых двух:


Khutoryanskiy(3)    318.33    66.78    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Pyshnenko    479.06    49.44    39    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
Kvach    713.36    71.89    51    1st Cousin    1st Cousin, Aunt/ Uncle, Niece/ Nephew
Pavelko    40.84    19.52    11    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Khutoriansky(2)    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    157.51    65.14    21    2nd Cousin (2nd Cousin 1R)    2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Ochkas    27.43    7.71    10    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin


Kvach    50.98    8.24    16    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Popova    44.95    7.92    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Churkina    35.41    8.92    14    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Salaniuk    33.18    8.93    11    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    56.23    16.03    17    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin



Второй Хуторянский не попадает ни в документальную ни в устную генеалогию Хуторянских
Как уже замечалось здесь  http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 20#p160920

Хоть триангуляция и дает треугольник друг другу Хуторянский(1) - Окара - Хуторянский(2)
Однако общих пересечений по Гедматчу у них нет (всего навсего обозначает присутствие обоих в списке совпаденцев).
То есть у них независимое друг с другом родство

У Хуторянского(1) и Окары по одной предковой линии (это уже известно по какой)
У Хуторянского(2) и Окары по другой (предполагаемое пятиюродное родство)
У Хуторянского(1) и Хуторянского(2) по третьей предковой линии (предполагаемое пятиюродное родство)

Причем, у 1 и 2 Хуторянских (не взирая что они генетические родственники) на такой глубине родство может быть совсем по другой предковой линии (одной из 32-х), а не обязательно по линии Хуторянских. В данном случае, как говорят, просто "однофамильцы"   smile


Как показано на дереве второго Хуторянского, дальнее родство с Хуторянским(1) может быть по одной линии Хуторянских,
А родство с Окарой по другой линии Хуторянских

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Результат третьего Хуторянского на предмет близости к протестированням популяциям


4 Ancestors Oracle
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian_West @ 6,140237
2 Russian_Voronezh @ 6,510954
3 Russian_Smolensk @ 6,638171
4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 6,975341
5 Russian_Tambov @ 7,123729
6 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,475101
7 Russian_Center @ 7,600592
8 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7,812348
9 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,961194
10 Belarusian_East @ 8,155755
11 Russian_Oryol @ 8,240712
12 Russian_Kursk @ 8,486622
13 PL_average @ 8,531652
14 PL_Mazovia @ 8,689768
15 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 9,085978
16 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,383618
17 Russian_Rostov @ 9,588664
18 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,859887
19 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,94023
20 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 9,998222
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73865
2 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,796998
3 Belarusian_West+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,871425
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov @ 5,880754
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov @ 5,92598
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Voronezh @ 6,087372
7 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 6,140237
8 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Voronezh @ 6,193825
9 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,199303
10 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,26949
11 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov @ 6,35551
12 Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 6,376842
13 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Rostov @ 6,383375
14 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,409965
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,434586
16 Belarusian_West+Russian_Rostov @ 6,435275
17 PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 6,44766
18 Russian_Smolensk+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 6,455056
19 Belarusian_West+Russian_Center @ 6,456747
20 Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,45887
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,58645
2 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,611792
3 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,663339
4 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,66531
5 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5,668511
6 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,720076
7 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73865
8 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 5,73868
9 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 5,742275
10 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Tambov +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5,749085
11 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,796998
12 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,797481
13 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Rostov @ 5,805618
14 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,807964
15 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5,810318
16 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Rostov @ 5,851119
17 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Kostroma @ 5,865696
18 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kostroma @ 5,867572
19 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 5,870675
20 50% Russian_Tambov +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,871369
9529535 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,58645
2 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov @ 5,608723
3 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov @ 5,611792
4 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,663339
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov @ 5,66531
6 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,668511
7 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,710491
8 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,720076
9 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73865
10 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73868
11 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,742275
12 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,749085
13 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,754894
14 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,760965
15 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,787477
16 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,792144
17 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,796998
18 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,797481
19 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,801299
20 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Rostov @ 5,805618
21 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov @ 5,807964
22 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,810318
23 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,812761
24 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,815889
25 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,816764
26 Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+PL_Sudovia+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,834109
27 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,842533
28 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov @ 5,848367
29 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Rostov @ 5,851119
30 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,857013
31 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,858456
32 Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,860427
33 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Kostroma @ 5,865696
34 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kostroma @ 5,867572
35 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 5,870675
36 Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,871369
37 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,871425
38 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,874867
39 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov @ 5,87602
40 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov @ 5,879002
120685024 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia @ 2,938833
2 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,304
3 Belarusian_West @ 3,322362
4 PL_Mazovia @ 3,452798
5 Russian_Smolensk @ 3,466477
6 Belarusian_East @ 3,611463
7 Russian_Pskov @ 3,645844
8 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,648508
9 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,673956
10 Pl_north @ 3,697136
11 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,784473
12 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,794301
13 Russian_Oryol @ 3,822354
14 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,857677
15 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,862224
16 Russian_Tambov @ 3,867837
17 PL_average @ 3,900048
18 Russian_Kursk @ 3,909344
19 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3,922503
20 Russian_Center @ 3,925876
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia @ 2,938833
2 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,059528
3 Belarusian_West+PL_Sudovia @ 3,078307
4 PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 3,110973
5 PL_Sudovia+Pl_north @ 3,201093
6 PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,212178
7 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,214564
8 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,221622
9 PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,231635
10 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov @ 3,236994
11 PL_Sudovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,253746
12 Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,254257
13 PL_Wielkopolska+Russian_Pskov @ 3,295396
14 PL_Sudovia+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,296733
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,304
16 PL_Sudovia+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,307063
17 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 3,322362
18 PL_Sudovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,351563
19 Pl_Kashubians+Russian_Pskov @ 3,361801
20 Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia @ 3,371467
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,015255
2 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,018231
3 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,089135
4 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,089908
5 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,101698
6 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,105654
7 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,110973
8 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,113286
9 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,114175
10 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Pl_north @ 3,123673
11 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Sweden_north +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,124706
12 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,130784
13 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,142881
14 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Pl_north @ 3,145971
15 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 3,147927
16 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,154769
17 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_north @ 3,158317
18 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,164
19 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,171686
20 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Sweden_north +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,17437
12465828 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,154769
2 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+PL_Sudovia @ 3,184745
3 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,219721
4 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,226593
5 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,229805
6 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,234469
7 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,252497
8 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov @ 3,254487
9 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,262952
10 Denmark+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,268681
11 Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,271402
12 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,271856
13 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,276306
14 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,278633
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,280057
16 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,285068
17 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Bryansk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,285248
18 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,289124
19 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,291556
20 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,297955
21 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,298515
22 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,300671
23 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,300901
24 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,301264
25 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,304
26 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_East+PL_Sudovia @ 3,304553
27 Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,307016
28 Belarusian_East+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,307287
29 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,313151
30 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,314143
31 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Bryansk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,321381
32 Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,3214
33 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,321776
34 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 3,322362
35 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_East+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,32424
36 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,326581
37 Sweden_north+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,33191
38 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Bryansk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,332063
39 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,334729
40 Belarusian_West+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,340955
175435594 iterations.


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Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Лукаш из Антрогеники прогнал результат Пышненко в Оракуле с обновленными укр выборками


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 7,774049
2 Russian_Oryol @ 7,93192
3 Ukrainian_West @ 8,079967
4 Russian_Kursk @ 8,220976
5 Russian_Voronezh @ 8,38883
6 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,801279
7 Russian_Center @ 9,030998
8 Russian_Tambov @ 9,061487
9 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 9,125316
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,194356
376 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Moldavian+Russian_Kursk @ 6,152683
2 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov @ 6,223868
3 Moldavian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,394329
4 Moldavian+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 6,401303
5 Moldavian+Russian_Center @ 6,48973
6 Slovak+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 6,574156
7 Moldavian+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,791426
8 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 6,797268
9 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 6,808177
10 Russian_Meshtchyora+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 6,817828
70876 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Bosnian +25% Estonian @ 5,44867
2 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bosnian +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,52925
3 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Serbian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,546241
4 50% Moldavian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,559917
5 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Moldavian +25% Estonian @ 5,568331
6 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% West_Serbian +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,584287
7 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_North_Dvina @ 5,589433
8 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% West_Serbian +25% Estonian @ 5,589898
9 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,596427
10 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,608572
14265208 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,828324
2 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,849732
3 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,851709
4 Serbian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,896412
5 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,924048
6 West_Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,93896
7 West_Serbian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,97864
8 West_Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,983315
9 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,986476
10 South_Romania+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,992134
11 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,007069
12 Bosnian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,013497
13 Bosnian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Kursk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,015775
14 West_Serbian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Kursk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,026007
15 Montenegro+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,029726
16 Romania_SW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,031101
17 South_Romania+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,032581
18 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,044468
19 Montenegro+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,080808
20 Romania_SE+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 5,089794
174648615 iterations.


Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,272298
2 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,544669
3 Russian_Voronezh @ 4,627803
4 Slovak @ 4,643565
5 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,836712
6 PL_Behar @ 4,860212
7 PL_Lubelskie @ 4,862646
8 PL_South_Poland @ 4,9564
9 Sorb_Lusatia @ 5,023625
10 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,065924
376 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Behar+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,009433
2 Slovak+Russian_Voronezh @ 4,022096
3 Bosnian+Latvian @ 4,024819
4 Bosnian+Lithuanian @ 4,0317
5 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,050982
6 PL_Behar+Russian_Voronezh @ 4,058882
7 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,059079
8 PL_Upper_Silesia+Russian_Voronezh @ 4,076434
9 Russian_Smolensk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,083871
10 Russian_Oryol+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,096257
70876 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3,790051
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,806242
3 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% PL_Behar @ 3,837799
4 50% PL_Behar +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,841729
5 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3,846967
6 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,849955
7 50% PL_Behar +25% Bosnian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,870561
8 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,872747
9 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,874452
10 50% PL_Behar +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Carpathian_Rusyns @ 3,881672



Как и в случае с третьим Хуторянским много южно-русских популяций
Возможно это уже значение Бельска, Зенькова, Сиверщины и Слобожанщины

Возьмем на заметку   smile

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Доброго дня!

А хто цей G Kvach?


У моєї матері (Halyna Kovbasyuk) з ним 89 спільних родичів, при спільних 46 сМ і найбільшому сегменті 10 сМ.


У маминого рідного брата (Leonid Kotsuba) з ним 90 спільних родичів, при спільних 51 сМ і найбільшому сегменті 10 сМ.


При цьому всі ці родичі ніби зі всього світу випадково зібрані, є і по батьківській, і по материнській лініям.

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Це шановний участник проекту форумчанин Хуторянський
Його предки з Пирятинської сотні Лубенського полку та Опішнянської сотні Гадяцького полку

Поки що із зачипок два прізвища з регіону - Коцюба з Гадяцького полку (є в проекті, навіть гг N, але субклади різні) та Сулима, але вони були чи не в кожному селі

Можна написати йому ел. листа

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Коцюба з Гадяцького полку (є в проекті, навіть гг N, але субклади різні)

Я б не сказав зараз, що субклади різні. У Вашого Коцюби термінальна SNP теж не визначена, субклад N-L1025 є дуже загальним, і мій Коцюба скоріш за все теж під нього підпадає - за класифікацією адміністраторів проекту N1c1 він в групі "N1c1 - Grand Lithuanian II (L550+)(L1025+)(BY158+ and pre) L1027 and L591". Але вони точно не близькі родичі, бо я очима на 67 маркерах нарахував 17 відмінностей.


Але я все ж не бачу цього гадяцького Коцюби у списку гаплогрупного проекту. Буду мати час, напишу, може він захоче вступити.

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borisovichi, чи не бажаєте неофітів Вашого проекту долучити й до Української ДНК?

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VHB,


Хуторянський, Павелко, Квач, Хуторянський, Окара, Хуторянський  були долучені до Української ДНК !   smile

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borisovichi пишет:

А вот и первый батч для рождественских апгрейдов


Готов первый результат на Рождественские скидки !
Поздравляем!   smile

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VHB,


Хуторянський, Павелко, Квач, Хуторянський, Окара, Хуторянський  були долучені до Української ДНК !   smile

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Останній став 1300-тим членом Проекту!


Минулого разу, якщо не помиляюсь, один з нас був 1000!!   smile
http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 82#p119882

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Ого, посыпались результаты и другие новости   smile
Обо всем по-порядку:


Получил на почте посылку
В отличие от предыдущей, в которой было два набора и ее раскрывали на таможне,
а также бюрократия при оформлении на почте (вроде из-за веса не проходила как пакет)

В этот раз в посылке (пакете?) аж 4 набора (330 гр), 3 оплаченные за доставку а один без предоплаты   smile
Кстати, это первая доставка через DHL. Достаточно быстро (почти 3 недели) и есть трекинг по Украине


Непонятно только пока что со стоимостью доставки (попал на пересменку), вроде цена осталась старая 12,95
А отправляли уже новым перевозчиком. Ну да ладно, главное что доставили и без проблем   smile

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Ого, посыпались результаты и другие новости   smile
Обо всем по-порядку:


Получил на почте посылку
В отличие от предыдущей, в которой было два набора и ее раскрывали на таможне,
а также бюрократия при оформлении на почте (вроде из-за веса не проходила как пакет)

В этот раз в посылке (пакете?) аж 4 набора (330 гр), 3 оплаченные за доставку а один без предоплаты   smile
Кстати, это первая доставка через DHL. Достаточно быстро (почти 3 недели) и есть трекинг по Украине


Непонятно только пока что со стоимостью доставки (попал на пересменку), вроде цена осталась старая 12,95
А отправляли уже новым перевозчиком. Ну да ладно, главное что доставили и без проблем   smile

то есть наборы теперь отправляются DHL, не укпочтой?

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Поздравляем уважаемого форумчанина  ochkas  с обретением родственника из Запорожской области
Вот классический случай пользы от ДНК-генеалогии   smile

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то есть наборы теперь отправляются DHL, не укпочтой?


Это ФТДНА их стала отправлять сюда в Европу через американскую DHL.
А уже из Германии в Украину, а от границы обычной УКРПОШТОЙ


С Украины можно отправлять УКРПОШТОЙ, кому они передают от границы мы повлиять не можем
Если есть опасения можно отправлять и любой другой типа курьерской службой
У нас в городе, например, есть отделение DHL

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Поздравляем уважаемого форумчанина  luvi  с получением результата !
Три недели на У-к   smile

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Дякую. Знову я про найцікавіше дізнаюся від Вас, а не з листа від ФТДНА ))
Швидко вони, молодці. Так є шанси ще й важко зітхнути, але встигнути замовити Біг-У, якщо гарна знижка зловиться.

Збігу з проектом немає. І що то за група така в нас з’явилася? ))

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І що то за група така в нас з’явилася? ))


По У-12 сложно прогнозировать, разве только голая статистика
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Ясно только что R1a   smile 

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Полтавская выборка (9 человек): обновление - Пышненко



Least-squares method.

Poltava_0: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,126476
Zlobynets_4: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,183521
Okara_7:   3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,042867
Sokhan_1: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,109844
Polomij_2: 4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,554411
Pyshnenko_9: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,272776
Lytvyn_3:  2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,06637
Kalnik_5:  15 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,265945
KHUTORIANSKYI_6: 4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,337314
Khutoriansky_8: 3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,663332



Gaussian method.

Poltava_0: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,167215
Zlobynets_4: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,564038
Sokhan_1: 2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,924476
Okara_7:   1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
Polomij_2: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,964011
Kalnik_5:   6 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,25001
Lytvyn_3:  2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,472011
Khutoriansky_8: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
Pyshnenko_9: 14 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,407654
KHUTORIANSKYI_6: 4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,585353



Напомню, такое расстояние Полтавской выборки от самой себя обусловлено разницей между обновленнымы средними значениями выборки (на сегодня) и теми что используются в Оракуле (по состоянию на начало лета 2017). То есть имеет значение постоянное обновление выборок оракулов во всех калькуляторах   smile
Но тем не менее еще пока Полтавская выборка ближе самой себе

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Уважаемый  skrz  проанализировал результат Пышненко на калькуляторе MDLP W27
И сделал красивые карты   smile


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 3,764639
2 Ukrainian_Lvov @ 4,250325
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,332727
4 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 5,052973
5 Russian_Tambov @ 5,669287
6 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 5,798569
7 Slovak @ 6,195641
8 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,223726
9 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,321122
10 Russian_Murom @ 6,51948
11 Russian_Bryansk @ 6,612377
12 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 6,789652
13 Russian_Saratov @ 6,872039
14 Polish @ 7,09879
15 Russian_Kuban @ 7,46537
16 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 7,571087
17 Russian_Tver @ 7,786205
18 Russian_Moscow @ 7,960291
19 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 8,151919
20 Belarusian_West @ 8,416951
21 Russian_Arzamas @ 8,773448
22 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 8,910765
23 Belarusian_Gomel @ 9,047487
24 Moksha @ 9,267262
25 Russian_Uglich @ 9,32172
26 Russian_Ivanovo @ 9,48555
27 Belarusian_Minsk @ 9,726592
28 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov @ 10,228524
29 Erzya @ 10,330399
30 Russian_Novgorod @ 10,513354
31 Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 10,552043
32 Russian_Andreapol @ 10,867061
33 Moldavian @ 11,218015
34 Russian_Smolensk @ 11,239106
35 Russian_Siberia @ 11,299453
36 Russian_Unzha @ 11,867545
37 Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 12,121297
38 Croatian @ 12,198987
39 Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 12,251614
40 Russian_Vologda @ 12,335289
41 Russian_Pskov @ 12,514707
42 Russian_Vyatka @ 12,898936
43 Russian_Baykal @ 12,99617
44 Russian_Ural_East @ 13,139199
45 Russian_Ural_West @ 13,785571
46 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 13,998901
47 Tatar_Mishar_Nizhniy @ 14,808756
48 Tatar_Mishar_Drozzhanovskiy @ 15,266098
49 Lithuanian @ 15,649589
50 Tatar_Mishar_South_West @ 15,724289
127 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack+Slovak @ 2,705927
2 Croatian+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,734898
3 Belarusian_Minsk+Moldavian @ 2,907341
4 Russian_Bryansk+Slovak @ 3,113123
5 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov @ 3,165307
6 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Lvov @ 3,17973
7 Croatian+Russian_Pskov @ 3,301247
8 Moldavian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 3,333348
9 Croatian+Russian_Arzamas @ 3,341226
10 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Slovak @ 3,357811
11 Slovak+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,390531
12 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Moldavian @ 3,396246
13 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Slovak @ 3,435254
14 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Slovak @ 3,462468
15 Bulgarian+Latgalian @ 3,470322
16 Russian_Moscow+Slovak @ 3,480946
17 Croatian+Russian_Ivanovo @ 3,480949
18 Russian_Arzamas+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,499893
19 Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,500398
20 Belarusian_Minsk+Croatian @ 3,500753
21 Moldavian+Russian_Andreapol @ 3,561516
22 Russian_Kuban+Slovak @ 3,567457
23 Belarusian_Gomel+Moldavian @ 3,577333
24 Russian_Saratov+Slovak @ 3,580912
25 Russian_Tambov+Slovak @ 3,581332
26 Croatian+Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 3,585923
27 Russian_Arzamas+Slovak @ 3,591522
28 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,605095
29 Belarusian_Gomel+Slovak @ 3,610046
30 Croatian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 3,683366
31 Russian_Tver+Slovak @ 3,683544
32 Ukrainian_Lvov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,691662
33 Croatian+Russian_Andreapol @ 3,700778
34 Moldavian+Russian_Novgorod @ 3,701393
35 Moldavian+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,703324
36 Croatian+Russian_Uglich @ 3,712859
37 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,714667
38 Croatian+Russian_Moscow @ 3,726367
39 Slovak+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 3,736354
40 Russian_Murom+Slovak @ 3,750784
41 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 3,764639
42 Moldavian+Russian_Bryansk @ 3,801999
43 Belarusian_Minsk+Slovak @ 3,81114
44 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,834857
45 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Lvov @ 3,864696
46 Croatian+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,902582
47 Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,906226
48 Russian_Ivanovo+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 3,911303
49 Croatian+Russian_Unzha @ 3,919198
50 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Croatian @ 3,925418
8128 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Kuban @ 2,131264
2 50% Latgalian +25% German +25% Romanian @ 2,150012
3 50% Croatian +25% Belarusian_Gomel +25% Estonian @ 2,165183
4 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 2,19148
5 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 2,249843
6 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Uglich @ 2,275975
7 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,310102
8 50% Latgalian +25% German +25% Greek @ 2,31296
9 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 2,31511
10 50% Croatian +25% Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov +25% Estonian @ 2,33604
11 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,345339
12 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,34641
13 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 2,363897
14 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,376585
15 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 2,380305
16 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Bulgarian @ 2,390202
17 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Moldavian +25% Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,408518
18 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Serbian @ 2,422852
19 50% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 2,426291
20 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 2,426448
21 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Moldavian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,429879
22 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Moldavian +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,434257
23 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 2,438956
24 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Serbian @ 2,446079
25 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh +25% Serbian @ 2,447999
26 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Slovak @ 2,451117
27 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,462057
28 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 2,462894
29 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Arzamas @ 2,464043
30 50% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Bulgarian @ 2,470735
31 50% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian +25% Greek @ 2,473668
32 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,482276
33 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,484146
34 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 2,484772
35 50% Croatian +25% Belarusian_West +25% Estonian @ 2,48757
36 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,488778
37 50% Russian_Bryansk +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,491785
38 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,493084
39 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Bulgarian @ 2,496396
40 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Serbian @ 2,49652
41 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,498008
42 50% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh +25% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Serbian @ 2,499175
43 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 2,500509
44 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Vologda @ 2,506733
45 50% Croatian +25% Latgalian +25% Russian_Vologda @ 2,507576
46 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,507889
47 50% Russian_Kursk_Oryol +25% Russian_Arzamas +25% Serbian @ 2,509086
48 50% Polish +25% Estonian +25% Greek @ 2,514626
49 50% Croatian +25% Estonian +25% Polish @ 2,516927
50 50% Belarusian_Minsk +25% Bulgarian +25% Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,521492
787351 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian+Croatian+Estonian+Russian_Kuban @ 2,131264
2 German+Latgalian+Latgalian+Romanian @ 2,150012
3 Belarusian_Gomel+Croatian+Croatian+Estonian @ 2,165183
4 Croatian+Croatian+Estonian+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 2,19148
5 Croatian+Croatian+Estonian+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 2,249843
6 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Uglich @ 2,275975
7 Bulgarian+Latgalian+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Slovak @ 2,277998
8 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Croatian+Estonian+Serbian @ 2,295941
9 Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,30703
10 Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,310102
11 Bulgarian+Latgalian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Slovak @ 2,311734
12 German+Greek+Latgalian+Latgalian @ 2,31296
13 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,31511
14 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,322619
15 Croatian+Estonian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 2,32504
16 Croatian+Estonian+Lithuanian+Serbian @ 2,330149
17 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Ustyuzhna+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,331591
18 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,335748
19 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Croatian+Croatian+Estonian @ 2,33604
20 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,338972
21 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,342282
22 Croatian+Croatian+Estonian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,345339
23 Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,34641
24 Bulgarian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,363897
25 Croatian+Estonian+Russian_Smolensk+Serbian @ 2,36416
26 Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,376585
27 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Novgorod+Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,376733
28 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,378823
29 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 2,380305
30 Bulgarian+Polish+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,382428
31 Belarusian_Minsk+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Uglich+Serbian @ 2,389708
32 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,390202
33 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,392983
34 Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,394069
35 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Uglich @ 2,397814
36 Latgalian+Romanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Slovak @ 2,400965
37 Belarusian_Gomel+Croatian+Estonian+Serbian @ 2,401829
38 Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Pskov @ 2,402322
39 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,40596
40 Moldavian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,408518
41 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Uglich+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,411329
42 Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,415261
43 Latgalian+Romanian+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Slovak @ 2,421425
44 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Serbian @ 2,422852
45 Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,423783
46 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Uglich+Serbian @ 2,425526
47 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,426291
48 Croatian+Croatian+Estonian+Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 2,426448
49 Moldavian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,429879
50 Bulgarian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,430329
51 Moldavian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,434257
52 Bulgarian+Croatian+Estonian+Lithuanian @ 2,435919
53 Belarusian_Minsk+Russian_Uglich+Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,437923
54 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Greek+Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 2,43821
55 Croatian+Croatian+Estonian+Russian_Bryansk @ 2,438956
56 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,441086
57 Belarusian_West+Estonian+Greek+Polish @ 2,441596
58 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Serbian @ 2,443711
59 Bulgarian+Latgalian+Russian_Tambov+Slovak @ 2,445305
60 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Serbian @ 2,446079
61 Belarusian_Minsk+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Serbian @ 2,447293
62 Russian_Novgorod+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,447383
63 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Novgorod+Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,447971
64 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Serbian @ 2,447999
65 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,448477
66 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,448897
67 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Slovak @ 2,451117
68 Polish+Romanian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,451945
69 Bulgarian+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,454066
70 Bulgarian+Latgalian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Slovak @ 2,454632
71 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Novgorod+Serbian @ 2,456305
72 Bulgarian+Latgalian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Slovak @ 2,459017
73 Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 2,459394
74 Bulgarian+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,462057
75 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,462062
76 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 2,462894
77 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Serbian @ 2,463046
78 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Tambov @ 2,463944
79 Bulgarian+Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,464043
80 Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Uglich+Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,464216
81 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Serbian @ 2,465306
82 Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,465894
83 Croatian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,466157
84 Belarusian_West+Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,466239
85 Belarusian_Gomel+Bulgarian+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,46773
86 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Novgorod+Serbian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,468765
87 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 2,470735
88 Moldavian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,472648
89 Bulgarian+Russian_Arzamas+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,473098
90 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Estonian+Greek @ 2,473668
91 Bulgarian+Polish+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Novgorod @ 2,47392
92 Bulgarian+Latgalian+Russian_Bryansk+Slovak @ 2,473941
93 Croatian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Vologda+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,475218
94 Bulgarian+Latgalian+Slovak+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,475886
95 Bulgarian+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,476032
96 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov+Bulgarian+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,47647
97 Moldavian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,478497
98 Moldavian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,478796
99 Belarusian_Minsk+Bulgarian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 2,479064
100 Bulgarian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,479099
5451743 iterations.

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Belarusian 68,87 ---//Confidence: very high
Balt 65,4 ---//Confidence: very high
Russian-West 64,91 ---//Confidence: very high


Russian-North-Kargopol 62,53 ---//Confidence: very high
Ukrainian-West-and-Center 62,01 ---//Confidence: high
Russian-South 61,91 ---//Confidence: very high
Veps 61,74 ---//Confidence: medium
Ukrainian-East-and-Center 61,38 ---//Confidence: high
Estonian 61 ---//Confidence: very high
Polish 60,15 ---//Confidence: very high
Russian-Pomor 58,52 ---//Confidence: medium
Croatian 56,83 ---//Confidence: very high
Erzya 55,78 ---//Confidence: medium
Moksha 55,76 ---//Confidence: low
Bosnian 55,33 ---//Confidence: medium
Russian-North-East 54,45 ---//Confidence: very high
Hungarian 51,79 ---//Confidence: very high
Serbian 51,72 ---//Confidence: high
Finnish-West 51,67 ---//Confidence: high
Slovenian 51,58 ---//Confidence: high
Slovak 51,19 ---//Confidence: high
Gagauz 49,64 ---//Confidence: medium
Finnish-East 48,9 ---//Confidence: high
Komi 48,85 ---//Confidence: high
Kosovar 47,89 ---//Confidence: medium
Karelian 47,5 ---//Confidence: high
Cornish 47,35 ---//Confidence: very high
Tatar_Lithuanian 46,93 ---//Confidence: low
Norwegian 46,69 ---//Confidence: high
Swedish 46,65 ---//Confidence: high
Montenegrian 46,59 ---//Confidence: medium
German 46,01 ---//Confidence: medium
English 44,72 ---//Confidence: very high
Irish-and-Scottish 43,92 ---//Confidence: high
Bulgarian 43,43 ---//Confidence: high
Spanish 43,12 ---//Confidence: very high
French 42,92 ---//Confidence: very high
Basque 42,79 ---//Confidence: very high
Macedonian 42,28 ---//Confidence: medium
Romanian 41,68 ---//Confidence: medium
Tatar-Volga 41,59 ---//Confidence: high
Sicilian 41,08 ---//Confidence: very high
Udmurt 40,96 ---//Confidence: high
Greek_Azov 40,92 ---//Confidence: low
Greek 40,52 ---//Confidence: very high
Chuvash 38,77 ---//Confidence: very high
Tuscan 38,7 ---//Confidence: very high
Saami 37,36 ---//Confidence: medium
Ashkenazi 36,97 ---//Confidence: high
Kumyk 36,06 ---//Confidence: high
Sardinian 35,72 ---//Confidence: very high
Balkarian 34,81 ---//Confidence: very high
Abkhazian 34,51 ---//Confidence: very high
Chechen 34,05 ---//Confidence: very high
Italian-South 33,77 ---//Confidence: high
Bashkir 32,6 ---//Confidence: very high
Adygei 32,53 ---//Confidence: high
Ossetian 32,45 ---//Confidence: high
Lezgin 32,35 ---//Confidence: very high
Georgian 32,22 ---//Confidence: very high
Tatar-Crimean 32,06 ---//Confidence: low
Nogay 31,68 ---//Confidence: high
Sephard 31,27 ---//Confidence: high
Iranian 31,06 ---//Confidence: very high
Mari 30,57 ---//Confidence: high
Turkish 29,74 ---//Confidence: very high
Tadjik 29,66 ---//Confidence: high
Azerbaijani 28,91 ---//Confidence: high
Armenian 27,9 ---//Confidence: high
Cypriot 27,21 ---//Confidence: medium
Pamiri 27,11 ---//Confidence: very high
Turkmen 27,03 ---//Confidence: very high
Syrian 25,57 ---//Confidence: high
UAE 25,38 ---//Confidence: medium
Jordanian 25,37 ---//Confidence: very high
Uzbek 24,9 ---//Confidence: high
Kazah 24,82 ---//Confidence: high
Kalash 24,57 ---//Confidence: very high
Druze 24,4 ---//Confidence: very high
Kurd 24,35 ---//Confidence: low
Sindhi 22,87 ---//Confidence: very high
Egyptian 22,86 ---//Confidence: medium
Pathan 22,64 ---//Confidence: very high
Nivh 21,86 ---//Confidence: low
Burusho 21,55 ---//Confidence: very high
Uygur 21,33 ---//Confidence: medium
Kanjar 21,28 ---//Confidence: low
Brahui 20,97 ---//Confidence: very high
Shor 20,85 ---//Confidence: low
Moroccan 20,82 ---//Confidence: very high
Mansi 20,77 ---//Confidence: medium
Palestinian 20,73 ---//Confidence: very high
Selkup 20,68 ---//Confidence: high
Balochi 20,44 ---//Confidence: very high
Saud 20,24 ---//Confidence: very high
Bedouin 19,83 ---//Confidence: very high
Makrani 19,64 ---//Confidence: very high
Uttar-Pradesh-HC 19,46 ---//Confidence: high
Kirgiz 18,23 ---//Confidence: very high
Gujarati 18,17 ---//Confidence: very high
Nenets 18,17 ---//Confidence: high
Hazara 17,17 ---//Confidence: very high
Altaian 16,91 ---//Confidence: very high
Tuvinian 15,96 ---//Confidence: very high
Dolgan 15,52 ---//Confidence: medium
Uttar-Pradesh 15,52 ---//Confidence: very high
Mongol 15,43 ---//Confidence: medium
Kol 15,13 ---//Confidence: high
Andhra-Pradesh 15,02 ---//Confidence: medium
Yemenite 14,79 ---//Confidence: medium
Tunisian 14,31 ---//Confidence: medium
Hakas 13,84 ---//Confidence: medium
Kalmyk 13,22 ---//Confidence: medium
Buryat 12,73 ---//Confidence: very high
Ket 10,87 ---//Confidence: low
Kerala 10,52 ---//Confidence: medium
Evenk 10,51 ---//Confidence: high
Yakut 10,32 ---//Confidence: very high
Burmese 10,23 ---//Confidence: high
Nganassan 9,6 ---//Confidence: high
Tamil-Nadu 9,59 ---//Confidence: high
Karnataka 9,39 ---//Confidence: medium
Xibo 9,09 ---//Confidence: medium
Maya 7,67 ---//Confidence: very high
Han-North 7,23 ---//Confidence: medium
Naxi 6,86 ---//Confidence: low
Munda 6,75 ---//Confidence: very high
Oroqen 6,33 ---//Confidence: medium
Han 6,23 ---//Confidence: very high
Mongola 6,2 ---//Confidence: medium
Ethiopian 5,87 ---//Confidence: high
Tu 5,78 ---//Confidence: low
Lahu 5,65 ---//Confidence: low
Cambodian 5,58 ---//Confidence: medium
Daur 5,27 ---//Confidence: medium
Japanese 5,09 ---//Confidence: very high
Yi 5,09 ---//Confidence: medium
Dai 5,01 ---//Confidence: medium
Even 4,9 ---//Confidence: medium
Karitiana 4,63 ---//Confidence: medium
Miao 4,45 ---//Confidence: medium
She 4,17 ---//Confidence: medium
Hezhen 4,13 ---//Confidence: low
Tujia 3,56 ---//Confidence: medium
Naga 3,24 ---//Confidence: very low
Yoruba 1,82 ---//Confidence: low
Papuan 1,51 ---//Confidence: high
Melanesian 0,99 ---//Confidence: low

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Вот так выглядят усредненные результаты полтавчан после всех последних добавлений



1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 1

2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,47
3 Ukrainian_Vinnitsa @ 2,61
4 Ukrainian_Slobozhanshtchina @ 2,83
5 Polish @ 3,22


6 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 3,27
7 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,60
8 Russian_Lipetsk_Voronezh @ 3,60
9 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,72
10 Russian_Murom @ 3,89
11 Russian_Tambov @ 3,97
12 Russian_Kuban @ 4,06
13 Ukrainian_Lvov @ 4,37
14 Belarusian_West @ 4,40
15 Russian_Kursk_Oryol @ 4,42
16 Russian_Tver @ 4,74
17 Russian_Saratov @ 4,76
18 Russian_Moscow @ 5,49
19 Belarusian_Gomel @ 5,63
20 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,76
21 Belarusian_Minsk @ 6,40
22 Russian_Arzamas @ 6,64
23 Belarusian_Vitebsk_Mogilyov @ 6,75
24 Russian_Ivanovo @ 7,21
25 Russian_Andreapol @ 7,46
26 Russian_Smolensk @ 7,60
27 Russian_Uglich @ 7,72
28 Slovak @ 8,26
29 Russian_Tatarstan_Arsk @ 8,50
30 Moksha @ 8,73
31 Russian_Novgorod @ 8,85
32 Erzya @ 8,87
33 Russian_Pskov @ 9,23
34 Russian_Unzha @ 10,57
35 Russian_Siberia @ 10,75
36 Russian_Ustyuzhna @ 11,28
37 Russian_Solvychegodsk @ 11,81
38 Russian_Vyatka @ 12,06
39 Lithuanian @ 12,17
40 Russian_Vologda @ 12,51
41 Ukrainian_Carpaty @ 12,56
42 Russian_Ural_East @ 12,90
43 Russian_Kargopol_HGDP @ 13,10
44 Russian_Baykal @ 13,16
45 Russian_Ural_West @ 13,54
46 Moldavian @ 14,08
47 Croatian @ 14,73
48 Tatar_Mishar_Nizhniy @ 16,29
49 Russian_Vyatka_NE @ 16,48
50 Tatar_Mishar_Drozzhanovskiy @ 16,65
51 Tatar_Mishar_South_West @ 16,71
52 Tatar_Mishar_Bashkiria @ 18,30
53 Latgalian @ 18,50
54 Swedish @ 18,69
55 Tatar_Kazan_Tarhanovskiy @ 18,77
56 Tatar_Kazan_Apastovskiy @ 19,82
57 Russian_North_Dvina @ 20,33
58 Tatar_Kazan_Kaybitskiy @ 21,26
59 Russian_Mezen_Pinega @ 21,31
60 Komi_Zyryan_SW @ 21,69
61 Komi_Izhma @ 22,07
62 Estonian @ 22,21
63 Tatar_Kazan_Zelenodolskiy @ 22,38
64 Norwegian @ 22,63
65 Serbian @ 22,83
66 German @ 23,77
67 Tatar_Lithuanian @ 23,87
68 Bulgarian @ 24,02
69 Tatar_Ural @ 24,37
70 Chuvash_Anatri @ 24,95
71 Vepsa @ 25,34
72 English @ 25,35
73 Romanian @ 26,34
74 Irish_Scottish @ 28,15
75 Chuvash_Viryal @ 28,30
76 Karelian_Tver @ 28,40
77 French @ 29,37
78 Udmurt @ 29,40
79 Bashkir_West @ 30,96
80 Saami @ 32,26
81 Karelian @ 33,17
82 Greek @ 33,87
83 Mari @ 34,81
84 Finnish_South_West @ 38,07
85 Spanish_North @ 38,66
86 Bashkir_East @ 39,31
87 Nogay @ 40,88
88 Finnish_Savo_South @ 41,60
89 Finnish_Inkeri @ 42,10
90 Ashkenazi @ 43,66
91 Tatar_Siberian @ 44,61
92 Kumyk @ 44,74
93 Sicilian @ 45,33
94 Lezgin @ 46,80
95 Chechen @ 48,69
96 Finnish_North_East @ 49,14
97 Turkish @ 49,75
98 Balkar @ 49,91
99 Karachay @ 50,23
100 Ossetian_North @ 51,45
101 Kazakh @ 52,83
102 Selkup_South @ 52,88
103 Georgian_Hevsur @ 53,19
104 Ossetian_South @ 53,82
105 Kurdish @ 55,29
106 Mansi @ 57,72
107 Abkhasian @ 58,18
108 Khanty @ 58,19
109 Armenian @ 58,27
110 Greek_Tsalka @ 58,70
111 Armenian_Lebanon @ 58,98
112 Georgian_East @ 59,80
113 Pontus @ 60,75
114 Altaian @ 60,92
115 Georgian_Svan @ 61,58
116 Georgian_Racha @ 61,73
117 Georgian_West @ 62,41
118 Kalmyk @ 62,66
119 Ket @ 66,19
120 Buryat @ 69,20
121 Selkup_North @ 71,82
122 Nenets_Forest @ 74,10
123 Nenets_Tundra @ 74,69
124 Korean @ 79,30
125 Yakut @ 83,31
126 Even @ 86,94
127 Evenk @ 90,68



И карта общих сегментов с научными выборками размером > 3сМ  для  Полтавчан



Balt 64,73
Belarusian 63,53
Russian-South 61,95
Russian-West 61,03
Ukrainian-West-and-Center 60,8
Ukrainian-East-and-Center 60,79
Polish 60,07

Estonian 58,87
Russian-North-Kargopol 57,68
Russian-North-East 56,84
Slovak 56,54
Russian-Pomor 55,77
Moksha 55,49
Veps 54,48
Croatian 54,14
Erzya 53,53
Slovenian 53,27
Karelian 52,8
Finnish-West 52,08
Hungarian 51,8
Finnish-East 51,75
Bosnian 51,11
Serbian 49,92
Komi 49,81
German 49,68
Swedish 49,27
Montenegrian 49,05
Bulgarian 48,21
Norwegian 48,16
Irish-and-Scottish 47,13
Macedonian 47,13
Cornish 47,02
English 46,73
Kosovar 46,44
Gagauz 45,99
Romanian 45,33
French 44,51
Tatar-Volga 44,1
Tatar_Lithuanian 43,75
Chuvash 42,87
Spanish 41,18
Greek 40,77
Basque 39,81
Tuscan 39,43
Mari 38,69
Udmurt 37,81
Saami 37,57
Sicilian 36,67
Italian-South 36,37
Ashkenazi 36,26
Adygei 35,74
Sardinian 35,56
Greek_Azov 35,14
Chechen 34,84
Tatar-Crimean 34,68
Balkarian 33,91
Kumyk 33,38
Sephard 33,01
Nogay 32,94
Bashkir 32,73
Lezgin 32,73
Abkhazian 31,89
Georgian 31,58
Ossetian 31,14
Pamiri 30,6
Turkish 30,25
Cypriot 29,85
Kurd 29,42
Armenian 29,11
Azerbaijani 28,89
Tadjik 28,88
Iranian 27,06
Turkmen 27,05
Druze 26,49
Kalash 25,43
Syrian 24,77
Uzbek 24,74
Mansi 23,9
Jordanian 23,69
Pathan 23,6
Kazah 23
Palestinian 22,76
Brahui 22,68
Burusho 22,65
Balochi 21,83
UAE 21,56
Saud 21,49
Makrani 21,44
Uttar-Pradesh-HC 21,07
Bedouin 21,06
Sindhi 20,89
Hazara 20,58
Uygur 20,54
Moroccan 19,9
Egyptian 19,88
Tunisian 19,21
Shor 18,15
Kirgiz 18
Altaian 18
Selkup 17,83
Yemenite 17,57
Uttar-Pradesh 17,23
Hakas 16,6
Gujarati 16,43
Ket 16,33
Dolgan 16,3
Kanjar 15,62
Kol 15,44
Nenets 15,41
Andhra-Pradesh 15,2
Kalmyk 14,44
Mongol 12,68
Tuvinian 12,27
Karnataka 12,02
Nivh 11,08
Tamil-Nadu 10,98
Buryat 10,5
Nganassan 10,48
Kerala 10,01
Yakut 9,97
Maya 9,3
Evenk 8,58
Mongola 8,58
Xibo 8,29
Tu 7,54
Burmese 7,21
Munda 6,77
Cambodian 6,65
Daur 6,53
Even 6,51
Han-North 6,3
Oroqen 6,21
Ethiopian 6,2
Naxi 5,67
Hezhen 5,42
Naga 5,25
Yi 4,64
She 4,63
Han 4,61
Dai 4,55
Miao 4,48
Tujia 4,44
Lahu 4,44
Japanese 4,37
Karitiana 3,94
Melanesian 2,83
Papuan 1,51
BiakaPygmy 0,91
Yoruba 0,87
BantuKenia 0,64
MbutiPygmy 0,52

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Напомнило в общих чертах одну карту   smile


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borisovichi пишет:

І що то за група така в нас з’явилася? ))


По У-12 сложно прогнозировать, разве только голая статистика
Посмотрите на www.nevgen.org

Ясно только что R1a   smile  

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А Вы можете в профиле обозначить географический маркер - Кустолово-Суходолка?

Спробую "смочь" трохи згодом )). Ще додала цей профіль до "Українська ДНК".

Цікаво, які цього року будуть максимальні знижки на Біг-У. Вже купони на 75 доларів бачила, чи видадуть більші )).

Кухаревські - Херсонська губернія; Кейбал - Полтавщина і звідусіль
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luvi пишет:

Вже купони на 75 доларів бачила, чи видадуть більші )).


Где ?!   yikes  yikes  yikes

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На молгені. Але чи працюють, не перевіряла )) Ну і на 50 є, навіть мені минулого тижня попадався

Кухаревські - Херсонська губернія; Кейбал - Полтавщина і звідусіль
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Немного статистики   smile


borisovichi пишет:

В следующем году ждем  180 участника

http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 67#p118267



В том числе:

Family Finder    125
Y-DNA    102
mtDNA    54


   

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Соотношение субкладов:

Вне конкуренции  R1a - Z280 Central & East European (also Balto-Slavic)  -  26%





На втором месте  I2a1b Dinaric Slavs (also Trypillian culture)  -  17%






На третьем месте другой субклад  R1a - M458 Central Europe (Slavic subclade)  -  12%


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* Вместе с нетипированными все R1a составляют почти  47%





Еще один значительный субклад  N1c - L1025 (North-Eastern Europe, Balto-Slavic)  -  9%



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* Все выше перечисленные гаплогруппы составляют  72%  от общего числа приведенных здесь гаплотипов
Детальнее о приведенных субкладах см.  https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogro … -DNA.shtml


Приведенное в проекте соотношение основных гаплогрупп коррелирует с данными по Украине:

Region/Haplogroup    I1    I2*/I2a    I2b    R1a    R1b    G    J2    J*/J1    E1b1b    T    Q    N    Sample size
Ukraine                         4.5    20.5    0.5    44    8    3    4.5    0.5    6.5    1    0.5    5.5

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Еще такого не видел в нашем проекте   yikes
Готов результат ФФ менее чем за две недели


Поздравляем уважаемого участника проекта  buteofalcone !!

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Величезна подяка borisovichi!

Як на мене, єдиний прозорий, живий, дуже корисний для України, ДНК-проект. Наснаги Вам і надалі!

R1a - Z2123 FTDNA, Y934* Yseq

Пошук предків : Яценко, Косенко, Божко, Костенко, Хмельницкий, Луговой, Мазин, Бураков
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