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Тема: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

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    Історична довідка*

    В історичному відношенні територія навколо міста Полтава колонізована пізніше за інші місцевості сучасної Полтавської області. В період удільних давньоруських князівств цей простір був суцільним степом, місцем кочів'я половецьких орд, і в літописі згадується лише урочище Лтава на річці Ворскла, де (в літописі) Новгород-Сіверській князь Ігор Святославич наніс у 1173 році поразку половецьким ханам Кобяку і Кончаку. Літопис про це пише так: "Того же лѣта на Петровъ днь Игоръ Стославичь совокупивъ полкы свои и ѣха в поле за Воръсколъ и стрѣте Половьцѣ иже то ловѧть языка изьима я и повѣда ему колодникъ иже Кобѧкъ и Кончакъ шлѣ кь Переяславлю Игорь же слышавъ то поѣха противу Половцемь и переѣха Въросколъ оу Лтавы кь Переяславлю (Игорь же слышавъ и) и оузьрѣшасѧ с полкы Половѣцькыми и бѣ рать мала и темь не оутѣрпѣша стати противу Игореви и тако побѣгоша весь полонъ свои пометавъше".
    Після монгольського нашестя, з поверненням Задніпров'я від татар Вітовтом, територія Полтавщини в середині 15 століття була віддана тим же Вітовтом татарському князю Лексаді Мансуровичу, в хрещенні Олександру, родоначальнику князів Глинських, який перейшов на службу до Великого князівства Литовського. Згодом Олена Глинська вийшла в 1526 р. заміж за московського князя Василя III і стала матір'ю Івана IV. У 1503 р. Полтава належала князю Михайлу Львовичу Глинському, у якого в 1508 р. була відібрана Сигізмундом I за участь у повстанні. Близько 1537 р. володіння Глинських перейшли до їх зятя Байбузи.
    При Сигізмунду II Августу "Поворскля" "від Санжарівського перевозу" вздовж річки Полузеря і далі в 1571 р. було віддано низовому козаку Омельяну Івановичу. (Про існування в ці часи якогось поселення на території сучасної Полтави раніше 1630 р. може свідчити згадка Полтави у 1585 р. в ході дипломатичного листування між московським царем Федором Іоановичем і польським королем Стефаном Баторієм, де з боку московської держави висловлювалися серйозні закиди щодо “грабежів” прикордонних земель “литовськими людьми” з Остра, Любеча та Полтави).
    20 березня 1630 року "слобода пуста" Полтава (тобто колишнє поселеня без осілої людності), раніше відбудована в 1608 р. коронним гетьманом Станіславом Жолкевським, була віддана королем Сигізмундом ІІІ Вазою Бартоломію Обалковському, адміністратору "селітряної держави", з правом заснування сіл і містечок. (В люстрації Черкаського староства 1630 року також згадується про заснування Полтави Обалковським. З цього часу слобода Полтава постає містом що існує вже безперервно до наших часів. В листопаді 1633 р. Полтава як фортеця з цитаделлю (замком) згадується в джерелах під час нападу на Полтаву московського війська в ході бойових дій Смоленської війни 1632-1634 рр. В 1634 р. селітряні промисли разом з належними до них "слободами", в тому числі Полтавою, закріплюються у держання переяславського старости Лукаша Жолкевського. Вже в люстрації Переяславського староства (а не Черкаського) за 1636 рік серед містечок і сіл "яким строк слободи ще не вийшов", що належали "адміністрації селітряних добр" у володінні Жолкевського, згадуються Полтава, Жигмунтів (Устивиця), Краснопіль (В.Сорочинці), Крупіль і село Чумгак. Також в цій люстрації згадується "нова слобода" містечко Гадяч з прилеглими до нього "здавна і ново осадженими" слободами Кам'яне, Сари, Рашівка, Лютенька, Зіньків, Більськ і Глинське - Гадяцька волость або ключ).
    У 1636 році після смерті Лукаша Жолкевського Полтава переходить до коронного гетьмана Станіслава Конєцпольського, який завдяки своїй першій дружині з роду Жолкевських отримав і Гадяч. Він забудовує околиці Полтави новими слободами (його намісник Адам Сокольський), - були заселені по Ворсклі: Патлаївка, Семянівка, Петрівка, Гавронці, Стасівці, Диканька, Жуки, Тахтаулове, Осьмачки, Івонченці, Рибці, Гужули, Мартинівка, Шостаки, Супрунівка, Пушкарівка, Горбанівка, Мильці, Куклинці, Мачухи, Розсошенці. (В 1637 р. під час козацьких воєн (повстань) 1637-1638 рр. згадуються полтавський козацький старшина (полковник) Яків Острянин, Полтава і Гадяч як міста що ще належать до королівської адміністрації (селітр) і їх державці Сокольський і Длузький. В 1639 р. Станіслав Конєцпольський принаймні один раз особисто був у Полтаві і Гадячі під час повернення з будівництва "другої" Кодацької фортеці на Дніпрі та бою з татарами на Ворсклі. В 1641 році Конєцпольський повертає повсталих козаків з Чугуєва до Полтави - так звана Чугуївська сотня. Урядник Гульчевський розселив чугуївських черкас також в Миргороді, Гадячі, Зінькові, Ромнах, Сорочинцях).
    Володіння Омельяна Івановича в 40-х роках 17 ст. переходять до Станіслава Гурського, в подальшому старості Кагарлицькому, а у 1643 р. Гурський передає свої права Немиричам, які колонізували край нижнього Поворскля.
    У Боплана в середині 17 ст. на Ворсклі позначені міста і села: Кобеляки, Нові Санжари, Старі Санжари, Федірки, Полтава, Опошнє, Глинське, Більськ; на Пслі - Кам'яне, Плішивець, Книшівське, Гадяч, Лютенька, Краснопіль (В.Сорочинці), Жигмунтів (Устивиця); на Ташані - Зіньків; на Груні - Бірки; на Говтві - Решетилівка. 
    Історик О. Лазаревський виділяє 3 періоди в історії заселення Полтавщини (Полтавського полку, не повіту), 1) першу половину 17 ст. коли були заселені берега Ворскли; 2) другу половину 17 ст. коли були заселені берега Орілі та 3) першу половину 18 ст. коли збільшене населення почало шукати нових угідь.
    Після вигнання поляків у 1648 році, при новому адміністративному устрою, простір Полтавського повіту став відноситись до Полтавського полку Війська Запорізького, а сама Полтава стала полковим містом.
    За реєстром Війська Запорізького 1649 року Полтавський полк нараховує 19 сотень: три Полтавські (городова, Петрашова, Оксютина), Бірківська (по Пслу), Богацька, Балаклійська, Кобеляцька, Зіньківська, Опішнянська, Куземинська, Бірківська (по Груні), Веприцька, Гадяцька, Книшівська, Подільківська, Рашівська, Лютенська, Ковалівська, Лукімська. 
    Полтавськими полковниками були: Іван Іскра (син Якова Острянина), Мартин Пушкар, Філон Гаркуша, Кирик Пушкар, Федір Жученко, Демян Гуджол, Сава Омельницький, Григорій Вітязенко, Костянтин Кублицький, Прокіп Левенець, Павло Герцик, Леонтій Черняк, Іван Іскра (онук Якова Острянина), Іван Левенець, Іван Черняк, Василь Кочубей, Андрій Горленко.

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Лукаш с Антрогеники пересчитал для Окары Оракул K36 с новыми выборками
www.anthrogenica.com/showthread. … post311359


В сравнении получается (новые UKR выборки выделены зеленым, Полтавская переделана по-своему)
Сокращено до 10

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,81573
3 Ukraine_Poltava @5,976578_
4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,470627
_5 PL_Lubelskie @ 7,214243_
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 7,392025
7 Russian_Oryol @ 7,977798
8 PL_South_Poland @ 8,252941
9 Slovak @ 8,282922
10 PL_Mazovia @ 8,337921
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,867576
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,994033
3 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,01022
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov_@ 5,027066
5 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
6 Bosnian+Lithuanian @ 5,139236
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Kharkov_ @ 5,146211
8 Croats_BIH+Lithuanian @ 5,233137
9 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,253721
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Volhyn_ @ 5,269134
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croats_BIH +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,861348
2 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,977966
3 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,029108
4 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,052868
5 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Bosnian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,19639
6 50% Slovak +25% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Lithuanian @ 4,212844
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,232595
8 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,281304
9 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,293637
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Moldavian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,306879
12676214 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,820447
2 Croats_BIH+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 3,822828
3 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,860324
4 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,861348
5 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,86948
6 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,906133
7 Bosnian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,908238
8 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,932947
9 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,977966
10 Croats_BIH+Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,022139
11 Croats_BIH+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 4,025684
12 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,029108
13 Slovenian+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 4,030931
14 Bosnian+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 4,040467
15 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,052868
16 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 4,074469
17 Croats_BIH+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,084794
18 Bosnian+Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 4,090754
19 Croats_BIH+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava+Lithuanian @ 4,090899
20 Croats_BIH+Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,106101
145084408 iterations.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,81573
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,042867
4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,470627
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 7,392025
6 PL_average @ 7,830018
7 Russian_Oryol @ 7,977798
8 PL_South_Poland @ 8,252941
9 Slovak @ 8,282922
10 PL_Mazovia @ 8,337921
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,867576
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,994033
3 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,01022
4 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,113128
6 Croatian+Lithuanian @ 5,298478
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,383087
8 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,435533
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,483698
10 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,555998
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Bosnian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,505468
2 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,520073
3 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,576242
4 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,577447
5 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Croatian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,589397
6 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,651463
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,662944
8 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,681669
9 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,715693
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,727906
9934819 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,419465
2 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,423291
3 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,494612
4 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,505468
5 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,520073
6 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,520111
7 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,521453
8 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,576242
9 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,577447
10 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,589397
11 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,589583
12 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,618436
13 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,63502
14 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,651463
15 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,65262
16 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,656406
17 Slovak+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,662944
18 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,681669
19 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,684947
20 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,685553
150697211 iterations.

Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
_1 Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,759359_
2 Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,009589
3 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,06622
5 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,186457
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,280747
7 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,37224
8 Russian_Oryol @ 3,405984
9 PL_Behar @ 3,416154
10 PL_Mazovia @ 3,485457
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
_1 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,20288
2 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 2,509497
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3 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,580849
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,615119
5 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava @ 2,627423
6 Russian_Kursk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,631113
7 PL_Behar+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,652984
8 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,658371
9 Russian_Oryol+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,659105
10 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 2,678217
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,284616
2 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Lithuanian @ 2,33664
3 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Lithuanian @ 2,343367
4 50% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,344831
5 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,361666
6 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Latvian @ 2,424198
7 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Latvian @ 2,424973
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,427625
9 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,445517
10 50% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,446143

Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
3 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,06622
4 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,091037
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,280747
6 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,37224
7 Russian_Oryol @ 3,405984
8 PL_Mazovia @ 3,485457
9 Ukrainian_Central @ 3,490209
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,547812
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
2 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,932836
3 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,952998
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,981064
5 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,985695
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
7 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,020527
8 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,022358
9 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,039456
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,048358
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,90954
2 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia @ 2,921899
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,922393
4 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,932836
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 2,944073
6 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,952998
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,954251
8 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,954648
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,956978
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,958099

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

А вот и первый батч для рождественских апгрейдов   smile


3 Фул мито
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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

У бабушки появился совпаденец с предковой фамилией Плюта из Решетиловки
Степень родства далекая (5th Cousin - Remote Cousin), но вполне закономерная
Слобода Надежда (1760) и соседняя Пещаная (1755) заселялась жителями Решетиловки в значительной мере


В целом новый участник проекта совпадает с несколькими участниками:

Kozhevnikov    35.05    8.04    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Sokhan    66.06    8.58    24    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Mironenko    48.84    9.29    17    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Doroshenko    47.27    7.89    17    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin

Замечу что Мироненко из слободы Урыв Острогожского слободского полка
Который в свою очередь пересекается с Поломием из Диканьки и Туренко итд


В общем картину только на этих двух уровнях можно представить следующим образом:


А треугольник: Решетиловка - Диканька - Надежда - Решетиловка; кто заметил?   smile

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

borisovichi пише:

Во-первых, по Хуторянским:


Ждем аутосомы


Начали загружать аутосомные результаты второго Хуторянского:

Karmazin    44.95    7.92    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Churkina    35.41    8.92    14    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Salaniuk    33.18    8.93    11    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    56.23    16.03    17    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin


В дальнем родстве оказался первый Хуторянский. Теперь понятно почему на 12 маркерах дистанция -1
Как раз при таком родстве (ориентировочно 4,5 учитывая разные поколения) получается 9 поколенных переходов (9/2 = 4,5)
При таком количестве переходов могла случиться как миниму одна STR мутация на маркерах

Такой же степени родство получается у второго Хуторянского и с Окарой
* Кстати, триангуляция одного Хуторянского по другому дает только дного совпаденца … Окару    smile
Вспоминаем родовое дерево первого Хуторянского и Окары…


Дождемся результата анализа на Гедматч…

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Загружены данные  по V_Khutoriansky на Гедматч


Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population    
Amerindian    -   
Arabian    1.05
Armenian    -   
Basque    1.29
Central_African    -   
Central_Euro    5.31
East_African    -   
East_Asian    -   
East_Balkan    7.53
East_Central_Asian    -   
East_Central_Euro    29.25
East_Med    -   
Eastern_Euro    17.88
Fennoscandian    10.14
French    3.43
Iberian    3.91
Indo-Chinese    -   
Italian    8.68
Malayan    -   
Near_Eastern    -   
North_African    -   
North_Atlantic    6.46
North_Caucasian    1.16
North_Sea    0.45
Northeast_African    -   
Oceanian    -   
Omotic    -   
Pygmy    -   
Siberian    -   
South_Asian    -   
South_Central_Asian    -   
South_Chinese    -   
Volga-Ural    3.46
West_African    -   
West_Caucasian    -   
West_Med    -

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

Готов результат ФФ по Павелко из Малой Кручи под Пирятином


Совпаденцы из проекта

Okara    45.06    15.07    15    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Kononenko    44.36    14.42    15    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    40.84    19.52    11    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin


Среди других совпаденцев Сапелин из Харькова, Белянская с родственниками, вероятно родственница Белянскому из проекта что с Кубани, Сакун из Прилуцкого полка от форумчанки татиа и др.


Загружены данные и на Гедматч
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population    
Amerindian    -   
Arabian    -   
Armenian    -   
Basque    1.15
Central_African    -   
Central_Euro    6.45
East_African    -   
East_Asian    -   
East_Balkan    9.13
East_Central_Asian    -   
East_Central_Euro    21.64
East_Med    2.34
Eastern_Euro    20.26
Fennoscandian    8.33
French    5.30
Iberian    3.04
Indo-Chinese    -   
Italian    -   
Malayan    -   
Near_Eastern    -   
North_African    -   
North_Atlantic    7.81
North_Caucasian    4.65
North_Sea    6.97
Northeast_African    -   
Oceanian    -   
Omotic    -   
Pygmy    -   
Siberian    -   
South_Asian    0.06
South_Central_Asian    1.26
South_Chinese    -   
Volga-Ural    1.61
West_African    -   
West_Caucasian    -   
West_Med    -

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Оракул K36 по V_Khutoriansky (популяции по состоянию на сер. лета - старая версия)


4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
2 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,348271
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,663332
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 10,101524
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 10,470004
6 Belarusian_East @ 11,035388
7 Belarusian_West @ 11,305705
8 Russian_Oryol @ 11,365166
9 Russian_Bryansk @ 11,561894
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 11,600784
11 Russian_Center @ 11,854863
12 Russian_Kursk @ 12,109293
13 Russian_Tambov @ 12,356828
14 PL_Mazovia @ 12,548303
15 PL_average @ 12,563308
16 Slovak @ 12,838402
17 Russian_Voronezh @ 12,940571
18 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 13,093738
19 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 13,134776
20 Russian_Pskov @ 13,158252
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,622604
3 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,646378
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,792164
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,040373
6 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 9,348271
7 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,363551
8 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,364982
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,404803
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,417271
11 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,425665
12 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,526703
13 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 9,534815
14 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,567578
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,618037
16 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,632367
17 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,650189
18 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,663332
19 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,679103
20 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Central @ 9,703111
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,368179
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,431078
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,435547
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,574997
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,577259
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,606444
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,622604
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,634982
9 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,646378
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,65935
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,705766
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,720767
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,723667
14 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 8,737613
15 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,74595
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,749626
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,772544
18 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 8,78834
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Pskov @ 8,788445
20 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,792164
13155209 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,368179
3 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,431078
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,435547
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,574997
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,577259
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,606444
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,622604
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,634982
10 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,646378
11 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,65935
12 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,705766
13 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,720767
14 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,723667
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,737613
16 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,74595
17 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,749626
18 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,772544
19 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,78834
20 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,788445
21 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,792164
22 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,798446
23 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,819978
24 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,833353
25 Slovak+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,841285
26 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,856917
27 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,857839
28 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,866945
29 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,871389
30 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,87669
31 Russian_Tambov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,884317
32 Slovak+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,893217
33 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,893842
34 Russian_Center+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,900985
35 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,91302
36 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,917232
37 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,922781
38 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,926437
39 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,927175
40 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,928933
303714385 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
2 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,906376
3 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,033186
4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,259576
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,283255
6 Russian_Oryol @ 4,367088
7 PL_Mazovia @ 4,368782
8 PL_average @ 4,455211
9 Russian_Kursk @ 4,526571
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,567386
11 Russian_Bryansk @ 4,606811
12 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,616398
13 Russian_Voronezh @ 4,652763
14 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,659132
15 Slovak @ 4,677595
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,708985
17 Belarusian_West @ 4,715515
18 PL_South_Poland @ 4,76121
19 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,825714
20 Russian_Tambov @ 4,854357
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
2 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,90349
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,906376
4 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,920069
5 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,930984
6 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,945559
7 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,954555
8 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,95652
9 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,970275
10 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,97658
11 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,994261
12 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,996868
13 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov @ 4,001169
14 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,003036
15 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,021861
16 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 4,022125
17 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Mazovia @ 4,032654
18 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,033186
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,043108
20 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,047036
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,699846
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,757708
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,760999
4 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,78362
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,793945
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,797708
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,806887
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,807617
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,80976
10 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,81403
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,82192
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,824918
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,830383
14 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,832014
15 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,834759
16 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,835776
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,836477
18 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,83665
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,843783
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,852429
14371535 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,699846
2 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,757708
3 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,760999
4 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,78362
5 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,793945
6 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,797708
7 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,806887
8 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,807617
9 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,80976
10 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,81403
11 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,82192
12 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,824918
13 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,830383
14 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,832014
15 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,834759
16 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,834926
17 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,835776
18 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,836477
19 Latvian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,83665
20 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,839686
21 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,841998
22 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,843783
23 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,848119
24 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,852429
25 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,854198
26 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,854834
27 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,856812
28 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,860701
29 Belarusian_West+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,861324
30 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,863298
31 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,867285
32 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,868938
33 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,871331
34 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,872809
35 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,875223
36 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,876603
37 Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,876658
38 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,878294
39 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,879799
40 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
503909244 iterations.

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Оракул K36 по Павелко (популяции по состоянию на сер. лета - старая версия)


4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,438963
2 Russian_Oryol @ 8,236523
3 Russian_Kursk @ 8,449786
4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,554477
5 Russian_Voronezh @ 8,663197
6 Ukrainian_Central @ 8,967342
7 Ukrainian_West @ 9,067035
8 PL_average @ 9,166129
9 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,221788
10 Russian_Center @ 9,259282
11 Russian_Tambov @ 9,469233
12 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 9,648841
13 Belarusian_West @ 9,655929
14 PL_Mazovia @ 9,774358
15 Belarusian_East @ 9,996565
16 Ukrainian_North_East @ 10,012147
17 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 10,129707
18 PL_South_Poland @ 10,459258
19 Belarusian_Polesye @ 10,462853
20 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 10,649134
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk @ 7,316774
2 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,371267
3 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,438963
4 Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,56092
5 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Oryol @ 7,591215
6 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_West @ 7,616611
7 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,636937
8 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Central @ 7,69256
9 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,740138
10 PL_average+Moksha @ 7,770074
11 Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,792895
12 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_West @ 7,794171
13 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Smolensk @ 7,81483
14 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Voronezh @ 7,829999
15 PL_Mazovia+Moksha @ 7,831861
16 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average @ 7,846838
17 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7,873694
18 Russian_Center+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,896502
19 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,898888
20 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,911131
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Moksha @ 6,907479
2 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,004738
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Moksha @ 7,063453
4 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Moksha @ 7,080057
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Erzya @ 7,090608
6 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Pl_north +25% Moksha @ 7,095887
7 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Moksha @ 7,109584
8 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,130257
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_average +25% Moksha @ 7,145375
10 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Erzya +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,157813
11 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Moksha @ 7,162153
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,163917
13 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha @ 7,188952
14 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Moksha @ 7,191638
15 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,208406
16 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Kursk @ 7,209601
17 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Moksha @ 7,212134
18 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Moksha @ 7,217826
19 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% PL_average +25% Moksha @ 7,220234
20 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,235752
11439637 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,907479
2 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,951637
3 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,004738
4 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,00809
5 PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,063453
6 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,074955
7 Russian_Smolensk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,080057
8 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Smolensk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,080321
9 Russian_Don_Cossack+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,090608
10 Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,095887
11 Russian_Kursk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,109584
12 Russian_Don_Cossack+Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,121626
13 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,130257
14 Belarusian_West+Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,139144
15 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Mazovia+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,14084
16 PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,145375
17 Russian_Kursk+Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,156271
18 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,157813
19 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Central+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,159652
20 Russian_Voronezh+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,162153
21 Russian_Kursk+PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,163121
22 Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,163917
23 Russian_Smolensk+Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,173759
24 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,18783
25 Russian_Smolensk+PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,188455
26 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,188952
27 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,189537
28 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Upper_Silesia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,19036
29 Ukrainian_West+PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,190613
30 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Mazovia+Moksha @ 7,191638
31 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Oryol+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,202601
32 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,206379
33 Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,206538
34 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,208406
35 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk @ 7,209601
36 Russian_Oryol+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,212134
37 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Voronezh+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,212269
38 Russian_Meshtchyora+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,217826
39 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,219511
40 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average+Moksha @ 7,220234
197171127 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,181694
2 Ukrainian_West @ 4,709406
3 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 4,801643
4 PL_South_Poland @ 4,802811
5 PL_average @ 4,948472
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,979036
7 Russian_Tambov @ 4,992232
8 Russian_Kursk @ 4,994083
9 Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,995247
10 Russian_Center @ 5,043104
11 Slovak @ 5,047277
12 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 5,165483
13 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,20967
14 Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,370206
15 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,434232
16 Czechs_Moravians @ 5,475088
17 Belarusian_West @ 5,486449
18 Slovenian @ 5,594796
19 Russian_Oryol @ 5,823977
20 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,829123
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 4,00622
2 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,014581
3 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,130422
4 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,181694
5 Russian_Kursk+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,183095
6 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,199751
7 Slovak+Russian_Kursk @ 4,271024
8 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,287815
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,296054
10 Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 4,322342
11 Ukrainian_Central+PL_average @ 4,330502
12 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Oryol @ 4,362578
13 Russian_Tambov+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,381139
14 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,381517
15 Slovak+Belarusian_East @ 4,383517
16 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,385008
17 Ukrainian_West+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,389253
18 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk @ 4,395599
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Center @ 4,42195
20 Ukrainian_Central+PL_South_Poland @ 4,423152
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 3,979824
2 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 3,983861
3 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3,988196
4 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Lithuanian @ 4,000843
5 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,00622
6 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,014581
7 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Pl_north @ 4,016948
8 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,020449
9 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Latvian @ 4,022515
10 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,026701
11 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Belarusian_East @ 4,039262
12 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,047659
13 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,050609
14 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% PL_Mazovia @ 4,051803
15 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Pskov @ 4,058737
16 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,071449
17 50% Belarusian_East +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,071662
18 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,074547
19 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Pl_north @ 4,077842
20 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,079449
15058652 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central @ 3,979824
2 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central @ 3,983861
3 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 3,988196
4 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,000843
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,00622
6 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,014581
7 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,016948
8 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,020449
9 Romania_NW+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,022515
10 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,026701
11 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,039262
12 Romania_NW+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,047659
13 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,050609
14 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia @ 4,051803
15 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 4,058737
16 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Sudovia @ 4,071449
17 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk @ 4,071662
18 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,073874
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 4,074547
20 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,076556
21 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 4,077842
22 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,078515
23 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,079449
24 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk @ 4,079575
25 Romania_NW+Latvian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk @ 4,081002
26 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,083051
27 Romania_NW+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,084614
28 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,08865
29 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,090992
30 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,092589
31 Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,099184
32 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 4,100214
33 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia @ 4,101684
34 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 4,103051
35 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 4,103889
36 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 4,10393
37 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,110057
38 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,111267
39 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,112704
40 Croatian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,112794
491812123 iterations.


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Оракул K36 по V_Khutoriansky (популяции по состоянию на сер. лета - старая версия)


Оракул K36 для V_Khutoriansky по обновленным популяциям от Лукаша (Антрогеника)


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,872532
2 Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
3 Ukraine_Poltava @ 8,337396
4 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,348271
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 10,101524
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 10,470004
7 Ukraine_Zythomir @ 10,672227
8 PL_Lubelskie @ 10,952161
9 Belarusian_East @ 11,035388
10 Belarusian_West @ 11,305705
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,943494
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,994011
3 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,317128
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,442882
5 PL_Lubelskie+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,629789
6 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,674364
7 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,770388
8 Belarusian_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,846084
9 Russian_Oryol+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,86361
10 Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,872532
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 6,778897
2 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 6,888084
3 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,943494
4 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 6,986624
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,994011
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,995024
7 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,010671
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,021982
9 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,027822
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,037253
15431727 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,778897
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,888084
3 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,943494
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,945708
5 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,986624
6 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,994011
7 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,995024
8 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,010671
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,021982
10 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,027822
11 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,037253
12 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,049095
13 PL_Lubelskie+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,056425
14 PL_Lubelskie+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,069421
15 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,076802
16 Belarusian_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,081697
17 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,088546
18 Russian_Center+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,093249
19 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,09569
20 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,12119
273882358 iterations.


Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,906376
2 Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,922486
3 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,033186
4 PL_Lubelskie @ 4,148524
5 Ukraine_Poltava @ 4,191719
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,259576
7 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,283255
8 Russian_Oryol @ 4,367088
9 PL_Mazovia @ 4,368782
10 Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,424196
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Voronezh+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,500778
2 Russian_Voronezh+Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,602175
3 Russian_Voronezh+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,610263
4 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,614964
5 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,629686
6 Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,640844
7 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,661471
8 PL_Lubelskie+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,662191
9 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,676735
10 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,686204
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,336696
2 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,353603
3 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,359145
4 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,362675
5 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,363544
6 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,403186
7 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,406337
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Latvian @ 3,410798
9 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,411612

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

Добавил к "Полтавской" выборке другого Хуторянского


PopulationSokhan_1Polomij_2Lytvyn_3Zlobynetz_4Kalnyk_5Khutoryanskiy_6Okara_7Khutoriansky_8
Amerindian0,000,000,000,000,160,000,000,00
Arabian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,001,05
Armenian0,000,000,600,000,890,000,120,00
Basque2,210,000,002,402,891,381,691,29
Central_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Central_Euro10,104,977,885,339,2710,309,265,31
East_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Balkan7,698,968,507,8910,367,567,177,53
East_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Central_Euro23,7021,0527,2121,5126,1924,9725,9729,25
East_Med0,000,110,000,000,000,000,000,00
Eastern_Euro16,7616,7014,5518,0915,7914,2616,5917,88
Fennoscandian10,479,3811,5611,0711,3212,1810,6210,14
French3,623,695,846,002,511,232,483,43
Iberian8,087,380,582,243,608,352,953,91
Indo-Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Italian6,056,064,746,781,164,249,238,68
Malayan0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Near_Eastern0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
North_African0,000,000,000,000,120,000,470,00
North_Atlantic5,135,6011,415,032,909,365,596,46
North_Caucasian1,162,931,774,182,810,001,671,16
North_Sea3,5210,745,376,007,694,805,700,45
Northeast_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Oceanian0,000,700,000,000,000,000,000,00
Omotic0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Pygmy0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Siberian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Asian0,000,000,000,940,000,000,000,00
South_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Volga-Ural1,511,500,002,552,340,000,473,46
West_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
West_Caucasian0,000,000,000,000,001,350,000,00
West_Med0,000,210,000,000,000,000,000,00

10099,98100,01100,01100,0099,9899,98100,00

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

Интересно посмотреть сортировку расстояний относительно среднего "полтавчанина"    smile
* по мере пополнения выборки результаты не пересчитывались, сама "полтавская" выборка в оракуле незначительно отличается от нашей (адаптирована по-своему)


Поэтому сам средний "полтавец" на min расстоянии сам от себя   smile

Least-squares method.

Poltava_0: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,126476
Zlobynets_4: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,183521
Okara_7:   3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,042867
Sokhan_1: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,109844
Polomij_2: 4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,554411
Lytvyn_3:  2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,06637
Kalnik_5:  15 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,265945
KHUTORIANSKYI_6: 4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,337314
Khutoriansky_8: 3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,663332

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Самы близкий к среднему "полтавцу" полтавчанин Злобинец.
Примечательно, что он единственный у кого один из предков мин. сер 19 века с губернского города Полтавы   smile


Gaussian method.

Poltava_0: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,167215
Zlobynets_4: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,564038
Sokhan_1: 2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,924476
Okara_7:   1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
Polomij_2: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,964011
Kalnik_5:   6 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,25001
Lytvyn_3:  2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,472011
Khutoriansky_8: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
KHUTORIANSKYI_6: 4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,585353

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По другому методу расчета у одного из Хуторянских среди 20 первых популяций не оказалось "полтавской"
Ближе всего "Сиверщина"   smile


Некоторые участники проекта у которых только один родитель из "Полтавщины"
Показывают большую близость чем сами "коренные"

Завгородний: 5 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,967223
Пивень: 5 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,222205

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

borisovichi пише:

Начали загружать аутосомные результаты второго Хуторянского:


KHUTORIANSKYI    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    56.23    16.03    17    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin


Дождемся результата анализа на Гедматч…


Помятуя о схеме родства первого Хуторянского с Окарой
http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 38#p160438

Казалось что задачка просто решается
Тем более что по триангуляции получался треугольник Хуторянский - Окара - Хуторянский

Однако, на ФТДНА (1 сМ на 3хр) и Гедматче (3 сМ на 5хр) значимых общих для всех трех пересечений нет
Получается что у всех трех независимое друг от друга попарное родство от двух параллельных предковых линий причем в разных поколениях


Но с другой стороны, имея предиктованное родство на глубину 4,1 (3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin) и 4,4 (3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin) поколений обращаем внимание на документированное родословное дерево и ищем в заданном узле   smile

Для пары Хуторянский(2) - Хуторянский(1) (пра- прадед (4 поколенных переходов) или макс. его брат)
Для пары Хуторянский(2) - Окара (пра(2)- прадед (5 поколенных переходов) и нисходящее дерево)

* Причем для всех предковых линий (а их 16 и 32 соответственно)


Для пары Хуторянский(1) - Окара нам пока хватило и дерева до прадеда (3 поколенных перехода) с одной стороны и пра-прадеда (4 поколенных перехода) с другой

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

Странно, что Ваш Хуторянский есть у моей сестры, но ни у меня, ни у папы, ни у двоюродного брата папы его нет

Чуркины (г. Бобров Воронежская обл., Балашовский р-н, Саратовская обл.), Копейкины(Саратовская обл.),   Лубенские, Полуян, Британ (Украина, Днепропетровская область), Болдыревы, Кандаковы (Россия, Ростовская обл), Васильчик,
Таборовець, Корінь (Рівненська обл)

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

FindMyRoots пише:

Странно, что Ваш Хуторянский есть у моей сестры, но ни у меня, ни у папы, ни у двоюродного брата папы его нет

Да, странно.
С Вашей сестрой пересечение почти пороговое для отсеивания ФТДНА
Наверное это все составные участки так как и на Гедматч наибольшее пересечение у Хуторянского с Вами и Вашей сестрой всего 5.1613 cM, при этом Вашего отца в совпаденцах нет
Наверное какое-то очень дальнее родство по линии мамы

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

Есть геном полностью из села Федоровка (сейчас Карловский р-н) от компании Ancestry.com
Интересно посмотреть насколько близки и каким популяция жители этого села


Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population    
Amerindian    -   
Arabian    -   
Armenian    0.05
Basque    3.05
Central_African    -   
Central_Euro    3.39
East_African    -   
East_Asian    -   
East_Balkan    9.75
East_Central_Asian    -   
East_Central_Euro    27.92
East_Med    -   
Eastern_Euro    16.85
Fennoscandian    15.60
French    4.22
Iberian    2.99
Indo-Chinese    -   
Italian    5.64
Malayan    -   
Near_Eastern    -   
North_African    -   
North_Atlantic    3.05
North_Caucasian    3.17
North_Sea    4.32
Northeast_African    -   
Oceanian    -   
Omotic    -   
Pygmy    -   
Siberian    -   
South_Asian    -   
South_Central_Asian    -   
South_Chinese    -   
Volga-Ural    -   
West_African    -   
West_Caucasian    -   
West_Med    -



Оракул K36

4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,865671
2 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,955344
3 Russian_Pskov @ 9,130117
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,300599
5 Russian_Kursk @ 9,32013
6 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,423286
7 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,691255
8 Belarusian_West @ 9,709966
9 Russian_Oryol @ 9,716831
10 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,758778
11 Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,795285
12 Russian_Center @ 10,050244
13 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,149556
14 Belarusian_East @ 10,212167
15 Russian_Voronezh @ 10,245276
16 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 10,817076
17 PL_Mazovia @ 11,400249
18 Russian_Tambov @ 11,509248
19 PL_average @ 11,576961
20 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 11,761287
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,05945
2 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 7,561523
3 Slovak+Russian_Pskov @ 7,869284
4 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov @ 7,93226
5 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 7,960521
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 7,962469
7 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,086098
8 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,16323
9 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 8,23754
10 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,239826
11 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,259573
12 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,289191
13 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov @ 8,358726
14 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 8,38342
15 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov @ 8,445526
16 PL_South_Poland+Russian_Pskov @ 8,446578
17 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,519655
18 Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,532967
19 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,547997
20 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 8,55245
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,529245
2 50% Russian_Pskov +25% West_Serbian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,709049
3 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,72609
4 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bosnian +25% Lithuanian @ 6,755515
5 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SW +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,800242
6 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,915334
7 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bosnian +25% Latvian @ 6,926533
8 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SE +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,013294
9 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 7,023359
10 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Montenegro +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,024427
11 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,05945
12 50% Russian_Pskov +25% South_Romania +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,066951
13 50% Russian_Pskov +25% West_Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 7,104548
14 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,160982
15 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Serbian +25% Latvian @ 7,168215
16 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Lithuanian +25% Montenegro @ 7,178946
17 50% Russian_Pskov +25% South_Romania +25% Lithuanian @ 7,185501
18 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SW +25% Lithuanian @ 7,212625
19 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SE +25% Lithuanian @ 7,223122
20 50% Russian_Pskov +25% West_Serbian +25% Latvian @ 7,224821
11952428 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bosnian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,529245
2 West_Serbian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,709049
3 Serbian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,72609
4 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,755515
5 Romania_SW+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,800242
6 Croatian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,915334
7 Bosnian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,926533
8 Romania_SE+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,013294
9 Serbian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,023359
10 Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,024427
11 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,05945
12 South_Romania+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,066951
13 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,104548
14 Bulgaria+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,160982
15 Serbian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,168215
16 Lithuanian+Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,178946
17 South_Romania+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,185501
18 Romania_SW+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,212625
19 Romania_SE+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,223122
20 West_Serbian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,224821
21 NE_Romania+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,26559
22 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,281658
23 Bulgaria+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,29504
24 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,298121
25 Bosnian+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,301818
26 Romania_NW+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,31026
27 Slovak+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,31204
28 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,314466
29 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,318639
30 Romania_SW+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,321826
31 West_Serbian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,322383
32 Bosnian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,348351
33 Slovenian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,354825
34 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,356232
35 Latvian+Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,358751
36 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,363841
37 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,372009
38 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,373595
39 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,375421
40 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,389185
233583988 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,481845
2 Russian_Oryol @ 3,565293
3 Russian_Kursk @ 3,654878
4 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,687571
5 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,708318
6 Russian_Smolensk @ 3,837121
7 Belarusian_West @ 3,857017
8 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,904675
9 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,002016
10 PL_Mazovia @ 4,015319
11 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,065144
12 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,077869
13 PL_average @ 4,099789
14 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,165412
15 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,200447
16 Russian_Voronezh @ 4,230872
17 Belarusian_East @ 4,234142
18 Russian_Center @ 4,355337
19 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,405801
20 PL_South_Poland @ 4,417457
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,191433
2 Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,341397
3 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,422959
4 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,425117
5 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,442371
6 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,478726
7 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,479518
8 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,481845
9 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,500669
10 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,504135
11 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,51776
12 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,522579
13 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,526862
14 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,542419
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,543365
16 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 3,558045
17 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 3,565293
18 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 3,575617
19 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,597056
20 Russian_Oryol+PL_Mazovia @ 3,597057
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,191433
2 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,293108
3 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,313246
4 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,315727
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,323908
6 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,32616
7 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,330318
8 50% Latvian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,341397
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,341463
10 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,354702
11 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,357317
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,36926
13 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,401718
14 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,402632
15 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kursk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,409828
16 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,415963
17 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Oryol +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,416568
18 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,421329
19 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Pl_Kashubians +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,423632
20 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,425117
13461196 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,341463
2 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,36926
3 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,389638
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,401718
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,410014
6 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,415963
7 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,424758
8 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,434471
9 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,43603
10 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,437384
11 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,442371
12 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,443657
13 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,44422
14 Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,444914
15 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,44557
16 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,455217
17 Belarusian_West+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,456671
18 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,462415
19 Russian_Oryol+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,4642
20 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,467609
21 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,468519
22 Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,469368
23 Belarusian_East+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,472395
24 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,478726
25 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,479518
26 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,481845
27 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,482908
28 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,483182
29 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,483459
30 PL_Mazovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,487353
31 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,487482
32 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,4875
33 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,490689
34 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,49176
35 Belarusian_West+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,493395
36 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,493437
37 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,4948
38 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,496011
39 Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,496311
40 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,498005
363200118 iterations.

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Наверное какое-то очень дальнее родство по линии мамы

А я то считала, что с Полтавщиной я по папе связана. Все мои расчеты рушаться.... Мама была удочерена, но родом с Ровенской области. Ладно.. время и новые тесты покажут

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FindMyRoots пише:

А я то считала, что с Полтавщиной я по папе связана. Все мои расчеты рушаться.... Мама была удочерена, но родом с Ровенской области. Ладно.. время и новые тесты покажут

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В Полтавщину тоже ж люди откуда то пришли   smile

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Готов результат по Квач из Пирятина:


Dyachenko    45.63    21.62    13    3rd Cousin    2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin
Yaremenko    44.60    8.59    15    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Pavelko    169.07    22.96    28    2nd Cousin    2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Okara    141.12    33.97    21    2nd Cousin    2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    713.36    71.89    51    1st Cousin    1st Cousin, Aunt/ Uncle, Niece/ Nephew
Khutoriansky    50.9891815186    8.2477197647    16    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin

Все предикции ФТДНА совпали с документальной генеалогией   smile


Еще среди совпаденцев Коцюба и Ковбасюк курируемые уважаемым iromko
Также Квачева из Ставрополя   smile

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Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions по Квач


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,99781
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,083715
3 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,228482
4 Ukrainian_Central @ 8,472176
5 PL_Mazovia @ 8,881066
6 Belarusian_East @ 9,065454
7 Belarusian_West @ 9,271614
8 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 9,762112
9 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 10,021183
10 PL_average @ 10,045866
11 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,065785
12 Russian_Smolensk @ 10,265747
13 PL_Sudovia @ 10,554367
14 Russian_Oryol @ 10,748492
15 Russian_Kursk @ 11,081941
16 PL_Wielkopolska @ 11,249598
17 PL_South_Poland @ 11,558165
18 Pl_Kashubians @ 11,799095
19 Russian_Center @ 11,838627
20 Russian_Voronezh @ 11,952522
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,866021
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,989782
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,99781
4 Slovak+Lithuanian @ 7,019426
5 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 7,028044
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,118559
7 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia @ 7,279281
8 Slovak+PL_Sudovia @ 7,304185
9 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,306804
10 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,361075
11 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,540274
12 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,603046
13 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia @ 7,679738
14 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,70857
15 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,728652
16 Lithuanian+PL_South_Poland @ 7,78673
17 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,835783
18 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central @ 7,871584
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 7,883524
20 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 7,893759
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,308395
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Carpathian_Rusyns @ 6,398988
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,48059
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,507643
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Slovak +25% Lithuanian @ 6,53032
6 50% Lithuanian +25% Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,57058
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,589695
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,60847
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Slovak +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,614043
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,648692
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 6,671739
12 50% Lithuanian +25% West_Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,672151
13 50% Lithuanian +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,679906
14 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,728752
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,7366
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% PL_South_Poland @ 6,759018
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,770229
18 50% Lithuanian +25% NE_Romania +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,775054
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia @ 6,788758
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,815584
11841983 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,308395
2 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,398988
3 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,48059
4 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,507643
5 Slovak+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,53032
6 Serbian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,57058
7 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,589695
8 Croatian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,590547
9 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,60847
10 Slovak+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,614043
11 Serbian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,623011
12 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,647841
13 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,648692
14 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,671739
15 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,672151
16 Croatian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,679906
17 Slovak+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,701645
18 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,70962
19 Slovak+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,728752
20 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,73247
21 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,7366
22 Slovenian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,745016
23 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,753044
24 Lithuanian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,759018
25 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,770229
26 NE_Romania+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,775054
27 Slovak+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,77813
28 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,785145
29 PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,788758
30 NE_Romania+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,791858
31 Bosnian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,802462
32 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,815584
33 Slovak+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,816555
34 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,818591
35 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,830951
36 Slovak+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,832318
37 PL_Sudovia+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,832384
38 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,8381
39 PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,843582
40 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,843828
224016876 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,419588
3 Pl_Kashubians @ 3,528401
4 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,533948
5 Russian_Oryol @ 3,808887
6 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,827045
7 PL_Mazovia @ 3,84614
8 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,848794
9 PL_average @ 3,906838
10 Belarusian_West @ 3,931309
11 Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,937421
12 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,00432
13 Belarusian_East @ 4,072289
14 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,079898
15 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,088954
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,227835
17 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,240936
18 PL_South_Poland @ 4,347215
19 Slovak @ 4,3608
20 Ukrainian_West @ 4,486785
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,061017
2 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143996
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
4 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,207461
5 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,218536
6 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,245834
7 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,278708
8 Latvian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,293723
9 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,314519
10 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,335763
11 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,346948
12 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,383389
13 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,388014
14 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,399566
15 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,41344
16 Austria+Lithuanian @ 3,415683
17 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,419588
18 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,432592
19 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,438205
20 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,444562
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,061017
2 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143996
3 50% Lithuanian +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,164036
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,19753
5 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,206987
6 50% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,207461
7 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,218536
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,219102
9 50% Lithuanian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,22033
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,222317
11 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,227302
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,229744
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% German_East +25% Lithuanian @ 3,235553
14 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,236619
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,237893
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,24012
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,242459
18 50% Lithuanian +25% Sorb_Lusatia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,242618
19 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,245834
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,246165
12434929 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143475
2 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143996
3 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,184381
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
5 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,19753
6 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,206471
7 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,206987
8 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,219102
9 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,227302
10 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,236619
11 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,24012
12 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,242459
13 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,245834
14 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,247008
15 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,250646
16 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,251443
17 Belarusian_West+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,252204
18 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,252612
19 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,255799
20 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,259355
21 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,264917
22 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,265177
23 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,278708
24 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,28014
25 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,282239
26 Belarusian_East+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,284769
27 Belarusian_West+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,288055
28 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,290018
29 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,290135
30 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,29105
31 Pl_north+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,29424
32 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,298412
33 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,299034
34 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,304715
35 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_SE_Carpathia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,308112
36 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,312629
37 Russian_Oryol+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,312937
38 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,313978
39 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,314519
40 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,314814
277616013 iterations.


Далековато от "малой" Полтавы   smile
За счет половины из Пирятина, который в одно время в 17 веке приписывался к Черниговскому воеводству
(это я вчера Кулаковского перечитывал )))

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Новый Оракул с новыми выборками по Квач


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,99781
2 Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,320207
3 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,083715
4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,228482
5 Ukraine_Kharkov @ 8,22933
6 Ukrainian_Central @ 8,472176
7 PL_Mazovia @ 8,881066
8 Belarusian_East @ 9,065454
9 Belarusian_West @ 9,271614
10 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 9,762112
376 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Poltava @ 6,271621
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,318376
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava @ 6,390193
4 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,402196
5 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,456843
6 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,56668
7 PL_Mazovia+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,647769
8 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,672997
9 Belarusian_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,680938
10 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,776241
70876 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,393025
2 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Lithuanian @ 5,575044
3 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,591556
4 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,641272
5 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% Lithuanian @ 5,64386
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,681021
7 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Sorb_Lusatia +25% Lithuanian @ 5,741132
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,751481
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,761875
10 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Lithuanian @ 5,795969
16857913 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,297986
2 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,380903
3 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,393025
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,499941
5 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,549959
6 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,575044
7 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,591556
8 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,641272
9 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,64386
10 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,644661
11 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,681021
12 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,683462
13 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,693895
14 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,694563
15 Slovak+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,733805
16 Sorb_Lusatia+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,741132
17 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,751481
18 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,761875
19 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,768771
20 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Poltava+Lithuanian @ 5,769436
276500087 iterations.



Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,419588
3 Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,450734
4 Pl_Kashubians @ 3,528401
5 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,605223
6 Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,641236
7 Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,681
8 Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,779057
9 PL_Behar @ 3,793968
10 Russian_Oryol @ 3,808887
376 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 2,587486
2 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,675122
3 Ukraine_Zythomir+Latvian @ 2,767833
4 Pl_Kashubians+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 2,857432
5 Pl_Kashubians+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,899164
6 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,978426
7 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,054601
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Lithuanian @ 3,061017
9 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,071762
10 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,078795
70876 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Lithuanian @ 2,819687
2 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Pl_north +25% Lithuanian @ 2,85422
3 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Latvian @ 2,908517
4 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Lithuanian @ 2,923184
5 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Pl_north +25% Latvian @ 2,942464
6 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Sweden +25% Lithuanian @ 2,945335
7 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Lithuanian @ 2,960904
8 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Belarusian_West +25% Lithuanian @ 2,96758
9 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,972518
10 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 2,978372
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Да, кому-то надо править средние значения в Полтавской выборке   smile

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Świątkowa Wielka
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Готов результат ФФ Пишненко (жен)


KHUTORIANSKYI    479.06    49.44    39    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
Kvach    395.51    46.65    30    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Okara    44.33    9.65    15    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Sergienko    37.60    12.01    12    -    4th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Sergiienko    49.81    10.08    19    -    4th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Баран    20.59    8.26    6    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin


4 Ancestors Oracle
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,272776
2 Ukrainian_Central @ 7,774049
3 Russian_Oryol @ 7,93192
4 Ukrainian_West @ 8,079967
5 Russian_Kursk @ 8,220976
6 Russian_Voronezh @ 8,38883
7 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,801279
8 Russian_Center @ 9,030998
9 Russian_Tambov @ 9,061487
10 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 9,125316
11 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,194356
12 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 9,283584
13 PL_South_Poland @ 9,488822
14 Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,566804
15 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 9,575201
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,69675
17 Slovak @ 9,82617
18 PL_average @ 9,857308
19 Moldavian @ 9,868027
20 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 10,178392
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Kursk+Moldavian @ 6,152683
2 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov @ 6,223868
3 Moldavian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,394329
4 Russian_Meshtchyora+Moldavian @ 6,401303
5 Russian_Center+Moldavian @ 6,48973
6 Slovak+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 6,574156
7 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,577654
8 Russian_Smolensk+Moldavian @ 6,791426
9 Russian_Meshtchyora+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 6,817828
10 Russian_Rostov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,827612
11 Russian_Oryol+Moldavian @ 6,835032
12 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_West @ 6,902384
13 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,918064
14 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,936642
15 Moldavian+Russian_Rostov @ 6,98698
16 Slovak+Russian_Kursk @ 7,001412
17 Croatian+Russian_Pskov @ 7,004128
18 Russian_Voronezh+Moldavian @ 7,013092
19 Slovak+Russian_Rostov @ 7,034799
20 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,069697
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,426914
2 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,497773
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk +25% Moldavian @ 5,50032
4 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Serbian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,518721
5 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,563809
6 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 5,577988
7 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,596427
8 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,608572
9 50% Russian_Kursk +25% West_Serbian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,63945
10 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 5,641034
11 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 5,660603
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% West_Serbian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,6764
13 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,682415
14 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 5,686562
15 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,69948
16 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% South_Romania +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,701601
17 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 5,70833
18 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,716913
19 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kostroma +25% Moldavian @ 5,725739
20 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,731327
10207285 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,293401
2 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,294382
3 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,358897
4 West_Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,377513
5 Serbian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,415126
6 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,42662
7 Bosnian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,426914
8 Bosnian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,442492
9 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,447364
10 Bulgaria+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,453889
11 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,463899
12 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,483733
13 West_Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,487654
14 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Rostov @ 5,496185
15 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,497773
16 Bosnian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,498234
17 Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Moldavian+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,50032
18 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,501031
19 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,501169
20 Serbian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,513922
21 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,518721
22 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,51896
23 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,520839
24 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,523802
25 South_Romania+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,524624
26 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,531529
27 West_Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,534268
28 Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,537013
29 Serbian+Russian_Center+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,542181
30 Bosnian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Rostov @ 5,5435
31 Serbian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,563809
32 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,565327
33 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 5,567895
34 Bosnian+Russian_Vyatka+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,568086
35 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,57014
36 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,570823
37 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov @ 5,572768
38 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod @ 5,577988
39 Bulgaria+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,57806
40 West_Serbian+Russian_Center+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,579014
148050996 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,272298
2 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,544669
3 Russian_Voronezh @ 4,627803
4 Slovak @ 4,643565
5 PL_average @ 4,830192
6 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,836712
7 PL_South_Poland @ 4,9564
8 Sorb_Lusatia @ 5,023625
9 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,065924
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,100291
11 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,161387
12 Ukrainian_West @ 5,248892
13 Czechs_Moravians @ 5,334022
14 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,407654
15 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 5,411395
16 Belarusian_West @ 5,444129
17 Croatian @ 5,452552
18 Belarusian_East @ 5,530705
19 PL_Mazovia @ 5,535337
20 Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,540948
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Slovak+Russian_Voronezh @ 4,022096
2 Bosnian+Latvian @ 4,036753
3 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,050982
4 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 4,059079
5 Bosnian+Lithuanian @ 4,075098
6 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,076434
7 Russian_Smolensk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,083871
8 Russian_Oryol+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,096257
9 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,100549
10 West_Serbian+Latvian @ 4,122962
11 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,130355
12 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,134559
13 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,139084
14 Serbian+Latvian @ 4,151235
15 Russian_Voronezh+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,170798
16 Bosnian+Russian_Pskov @ 4,181162
17 West_Serbian+Lithuanian @ 4,184991
18 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,196811
19 Russian_Voronezh+PL_South_Poland @ 4,205768
20 Belarusian_East+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,222658
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3,790082
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,800534
3 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,806271
4 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3,846992
5 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,849975
6 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,874469
7 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,889949
8 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3,906675
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,91854
10 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,921026
11 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3,922967
12 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian @ 3,92378
13 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,930935
14 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,933092
15 50% Russian_Oryol +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,935242
16 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Bosnian +25% Latvian @ 3,940554
17 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian @ 3,946651
18 50% Latvian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,949433
19 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian @ 3,951531
20 50% Latvian +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,951546
14857484 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk @ 3,790082
2 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,800534
3 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,806271
4 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,830472
5 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,839087
6 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 3,846992
7 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 3,849975
8 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,864462
9 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,866858
10 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk @ 3,867073
11 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,871068
12 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,874469
13 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,874985
14 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,878635
15 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,883477
16 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,889197
17 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,889949
18 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,89586
19 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,896742
20 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,896921
21 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,897346
22 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 3,898054
23 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,900866
24 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,90591
25 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,906675
26 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 3,906721
27 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,909672
28 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,911782
29 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod @ 3,916877
30 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,917354
31 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,918399
32 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,91854
33 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,921026
34 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia @ 3,921365
35 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,922967
36 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,923346
37 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 3,92378
38 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,923978
39 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,927702
40 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3,928767
527398942 iterations.


Надеюсь, включаем в Полтавскую выборку   smile

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Готов результат У-12 третьего Хуторянского
На удивление быстрее сделали чем ФФ из того же батча (заявлено было ФФ 3-4 недели, У- 6 недель, сделали У- за 3,5 нед)


Итак, со вторым Хуторянским отличие 0 на 12 маркерах, с первым -1
С учетом скорого ФФ интересно будет связать по крайней мере 2 и 3 Хуторянских
Напомню, 1 и 2 Хуторянские далеки друг от друга, далее устной генеалогии, что подтверждает и дистанция по У-ку


Кстати, уже начали загружать ФФ: Хуторянского, Квач (жен) и Корейва (жен)
Любимая песня ФТДНА - загружать в течении нескольких дней с конца (с древних компонент)
Надеюсь завтра утром кто-то уже появится   smile

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Второй раз за относительно короткий промежуток времени по совпадениям выпадает село Святкова Велика
Подкарпатского воеводства Польши


Если раньше традиционно думалось что это у нас от них "входящее" совпадение времен ориентировочно 2 пол 17 века
То совсем выпало из зрения что может быть и наоборот - "исходящее" от нас и временен попозже лет на 100


В связи с чем вопрос
Известны ли случаи относительно массовых переселений из Левобережной Украины (может Надднепрянщины), в Подкарпатское воеводсвто, в период разделов Речи Посполитой, например около 1785 года


Обращает на себя внимание ситуация в Святкова Велика
В период с 1765 по 1785 количество дворов в селе увеличилось более чем в три раза

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"Полтавская" виборка - 9 человек
Компоненти Eurogenes K36


PopulationSokhan_Poltava1Polomij_Poltava2Lytvyn_Poltava3Zlobynetz_Poltava4Kalnyk_Poltava5Khutoryanskiy_Poltava6Okara_Poltava7Khutoriansky_Poltava8Pyshnenko_Poltava9
Amerindian0,000,000,000,000,160,000,000,000,00
Arabian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,001,051,51
Armenian0,000,000,600,000,890,000,120,000,67
Basque2,210,000,002,402,891,381,691,290,00
Central_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Central_Euro10,104,977,885,339,2710,309,265,315,20
East_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Balkan7,698,968,507,8910,367,567,177,539,46
East_Centr_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Centr_Euro23,7021,0527,2121,5126,1924,9725,9729,2520,25
East_Med0,000,110,000,000,000,000,000,000,67
Eastern_Euro16,7616,7014,5518,0915,7914,2616,5917,8818,47
Fennoscandian10,479,3811,5611,0711,3212,1810,6210,1414,30
French3,623,695,846,002,511,232,483,434,50
Iberian8,087,380,582,243,608,352,953,913,30
Indo_Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Italian6,056,064,746,781,164,249,238,686,62
Malayan0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Near_Eastern0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
North_African0,000,000,000,000,120,000,470,000,22
North_Atlantic5,135,6011,415,032,909,365,596,464,51
North_Caucasian1,162,931,774,182,810,001,671,163,74
North_Sea3,5210,745,376,007,694,805,700,454,72
Northeast_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Oceanian0,000,700,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Omotic0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Pygmy0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Siberian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Asian0,000,000,000,940,000,000,000,000,00
South_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,24
South_Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Volga_Ural1,511,500,002,552,340,000,473,460,00
West_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
West_Caucasian0,000,000,000,000,001,350,000,000,00
West_Med0,000,210,000,000,000,000,000,001,60

10099,98100,01100,01100,0099,9899,98100,0099,98

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FTDNA перешли от слов к практике к почтовой службе DHL…
Неужели это быстрее, или надежнее… транзитом через Франкфурт   smile

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borisovichi пише:

Надеюсь завтра утром кто-то уже появится


Появились, только не недостающие разделы уже протестированных,
А появились пока еще новые результаты древних компонент новых 2 человек   smile

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Re: "Полтавщина" та її заселення, геногеографічний проект

Уважаемый участник проекта Хуторянский провел интересный анализ своего ФФ совпаденца из Swiatkowa Wielka
Благодаря разветвленной сети протестированных "клана Хуторянских" он даже с такими не очень большими общими участками (30 / 10 сМ) четко вошел по алгоритму ФТДНА в этот клан (сининький "батьковский" человечек)


А это фрагменты родословного дерева совпаденца из его кабинета ФТДНА



Обращает на себя внимание перечень фамилий, которые напоминают знакомые фамилии из района сел Батьки - Драны
Hutyra - Хуторян, Homik - Хоменко, Dziadyk - Диденко, Dran - Дран, Smereka - Семеренко, Cap - Цап

Некоторые персоны (с поправкой на память за более 200 - летний период), такие как Анна Х. (1781) и Л. Гутира (1750) напоминают нам прихожан церкви Покрова Пресвятой Богородицы за 1782 год

Более того, следы Леонтия Хуторянского после 1782 года больше в селе Батьки не прослеживаются…


И все таки, дабы интрига жила   smile
Мне с трудом верится в историю с "обратными" миграциями из Левобережной Украины аж в Подкарпатское воеводство в период раздела Речи Посполитой между Российской и Австро-Венгерской империями
И инкорпорацию "наших малороссиян" в среду лемков


Но вот этимология фамилии Хуторян из русинской Гутира (Hutyra) на рассмотрение наших специалистов   smile

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Напомню о связи одного из Хуторянских с Карпатскими русинами

Из вот этого сообщения
http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 03#p157303


Pl_Lublin    0,98242
Belarus Polesye    0,97686
Belarus West    0,97438
PL_mixed    0,97235
Ukraine Kiev region    0,97004
Pl_South (Małopolska)    0,96844
Masovia    0,96756
Ukraine Poltava    0,96711
Belarus East    0,96638
Ukraine West    0,9655
Ukraine Chernigov    0,96476
Great Poland (Wielkopolska)    0,96426
Carpathian Rusyns    0,9642
Ukraine Central    0,96385
PL_Subcarpathia    0,96301
Upper_Silesia    0,96291

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Правда в "традиционную" версию миграций не вписывается "кашубский" субклад Хуторянского   smile
6. ..>Z280>CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>YP235>YP234>YP295-B (YP295 not tested; Big Y or Z280 SNP Pack needed)

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Результат Пишненко (жен) полностью обработали на Гедматч



Двоюродная тетя (2 плюс 3 разделить на 2 равно 2,5) для двоюродных братьев (2 плюс 2 разделить на 2 равно 2)



Для установления степени родства между первым и вторым Хуторянскими (с поправкой на двоюродного брата) нужно искать варианты в дереве с 9 поколенными переходами, то есть 5 (для дерева 1-го Хуторянского) плюс 4 (для дерева 2-го Хуторянского)


Тем более что ожидать родство приходится сразу по двум направлениям   smile

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Готов результат ФФ для Квач (жен) из Пирятина


Pіven'    44.44    7.91    15    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Dyachenko    35.08    18.44    8    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Pavelko    416.05    63.16    30    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
Kvach    1778.76    128.41    53    (Nephew)    Half Siblings, Grandparent/ Grandchild, Aunt/ Uncle, Niece/ Nephew


Получается мы с уважаемым Хуторянским еще раз родственники по Квачам (Пирятин) и
Гадяцкой / Роменской с выходом на Сумскую стороне   smile


4 Ancestors Oracle
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_South_Poland @ 6,282688
2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,378053
3 Ukrainian_Central @ 6,397225
4 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 6,714842
5 Slovak @ 7,151464
6 PL_average @ 7,172771
7 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 7,178955
8 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 7,992193
9 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 8,253568
10 Ukrainian_West @ 8,268027
11 Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,341218
12 PL_Wielkopolska @ 8,418867
13 Sorb_Lusatia @ 8,802142
14 PL_Mazovia @ 8,917438
15 Russian_Oryol @ 9,169704
16 Belarusian_Polesye @ 9,439199
17 Moldavian @ 9,619618
18 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 9,82083
19 Russian_Voronezh @ 9,875684
20 Belarusian_West @ 9,920361
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,531534
2 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,603288
3 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,725005
4 Ukrainian_Central+PL_South_Poland @ 5,727434
5 PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,73919
6 PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,830528
7 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,849628
8 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,882258
9 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,915439
10 Czechs_Moravians+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,91743
11 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,94591
12 Slovak+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,951044
13 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,961507
14 Slovak+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,020988
15 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,062747
16 Moldavian+PL_Mazovia @ 6,106916
17 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Mazovia @ 6,144743
18 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_average @ 6,173607
19 Slovak+PL_Mazovia @ 6,180906
20 Slovak+PL_average @ 6,181185
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,106345
2 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_South_Poland @ 5,181765
3 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 5,199455
4 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,220851
5 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,232721
6 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_average @ 5,246248
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,265781
8 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Serbian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 5,283062
9 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 5,297228
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,326949
11 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,328309
12 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,333417
13 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_Mazovia @ 5,338238
14 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,341512
15 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% PL_South_Poland @ 5,341882
16 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Austria +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,350555
17 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 5,358057
18 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 5,375565
19 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Serbian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,376422
20 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,377838
10055718 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croatian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,106345
2 Croatian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,181765
3 Austria+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,199455
4 Austria+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,220851
5 Croatian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,225285
6 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,232721
7 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,233874
8 Croatian+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,236511
9 Croatian+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,246248
10 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,255996
11 Austria+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,265781
12 Serbian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,283062
13 Croatian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,292883
14 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,294024
15 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,297228
16 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,302379
17 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,304946
18 Croatian+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,307848
19 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,308585
20 Croatian+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,310214
21 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,313738
22 Croatian+Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,316535
23 Austria+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,326949
24 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,327062
25 Slovenian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,328309
26 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,333417
27 Croatian+PL_average+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,334317
28 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,338238
29 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,341512
30 Slovenian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,341882
31 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,342889
32 Croatian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,344355
33 Croatian+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,349059
34 Austria+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,350555
35 Croatian+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,358057
36 Serbian+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,371785
37 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,375565
38 Serbian+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,376422
39 Croatian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,377838
40 Croatian+Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,381004
141180194 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,453271
2 Pl_Kashubians @ 3,754049
3 Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,968112
4 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,047638
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,122823
6 PL_average @ 4,146853
7 Russian_Oryol @ 4,166273
8 Slovak @ 4,28533
9 Ukrainian_West @ 4,286109
10 Russian_Bryansk @ 4,300849
11 Czechs_Moravians @ 4,344788
12 German_East @ 4,403845
13 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,429063
14 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,534622
15 Slovenian @ 4,551515
16 Belarusian_West @ 4,558723
17 Austria @ 4,56494
18 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,565582
19 Belarusian_East @ 4,6413
20 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,641375
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,331055
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,453271
3 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,481875
4 Austria+Lithuanian @ 3,492639
5 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,507988
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,548862
7 Belgium+Lithuanian @ 3,567349
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,582749
9 Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,597152
10 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,606506
11 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,615304
12 PL_SE_Carpathia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,61996
13 PL_average+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,622342
14 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,652743
15 Austria+Latvian @ 3,66131
16 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,690305
17 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,695672
18 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,69902
19 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,711063
20 Austria+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,714381
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,331055
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,348647
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,396825
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,408542
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Austria +25% Lithuanian @ 3,429248
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,432076
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,432771
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,435346
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,460401
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,46341
11 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,463612
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Austria +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,466714
13 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,46834
14 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,472132
15 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_average @ 3,475798
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,47772
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,478217
18 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,478701
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,479042
20 50% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,481875
12712868 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,331055
2 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,348647
3 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,396825
4 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,408542
5 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,432076
6 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,432771
7 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,435346
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,453271
9 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,460401
10 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,46341
11 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,463612
12 Austria+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,466714
13 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,46834
14 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,472132
15 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_average+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,475798
16 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_SE_Carpathia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,47772
17 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,478217
18 PL_Mazovia+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,478701
19 PL_Wielkopolska+Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,479042
20 Pl_Kashubians+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,481875
21 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,489214
22 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,489281
23 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,49096
24 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,491358
25 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,492275
26 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,49392
27 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,501469
28 Austria+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,501827
29 Pl_north+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,502458
30 Belarusian_East+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,50326
31 Austria+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,503348
32 Belarusian_West+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,50384
33 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_north+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,506846
34 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,507641
35 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,507988
36 Sorb_Lusatia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,508216
37 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,509169
38 Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,509678
39 PL_average+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,514343
40 German_East+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,514393
364416935 iterations.


Что-то по второму методу Полтавской выборки не нахожу…
И вообще как-то использовать Оракул со старыми  averages  ну не совсем то   smile

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* Ага, она есть, только в комбинации с Сиверщиной !

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borisovichi пише:

Во-первых, по Хуторянским:


Ждем аутосомы


Чуть меньше месяца прошло и готовы ФФ по всем трем Хуторянским  smile
Сегодня загрузили результаты третьего:


Polomij    42.72    9.17    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Kvach    427.42    44.30    26    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    318.33    66.78    27    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Okara    274.86    40.14    24    2nd Cousin    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin


Для сравнения результаты первых двух:


Khutoryanskiy(3)    318.33    66.78    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Pyshnenko    479.06    49.44    39    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
Kvach    713.36    71.89    51    1st Cousin    1st Cousin, Aunt/ Uncle, Niece/ Nephew
Pavelko    40.84    19.52    11    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Khutoriansky(2)    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    157.51    65.14    21    2nd Cousin (2nd Cousin 1R)    2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Ochkas    27.43    7.71    10    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin


Kvach    50.98    8.24    16    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Popova    44.95    7.92    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Churkina    35.41    8.92    14    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Salaniuk    33.18    8.93    11    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    56.23    16.03    17    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin



Второй Хуторянский не попадает ни в документальную ни в устную генеалогию Хуторянских
Как уже замечалось здесь  http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 20#p160920

Хоть триангуляция и дает треугольник друг другу Хуторянский(1) - Окара - Хуторянский(2)
Однако общих пересечений по Гедматчу у них нет (всего навсего обозначает присутствие обоих в списке совпаденцев).
То есть у них независимое друг с другом родство

У Хуторянского(1) и Окары по одной предковой линии (это уже известно по какой)
У Хуторянского(2) и Окары по другой (предполагаемое пятиюродное родство)
У Хуторянского(1) и Хуторянского(2) по третьей предковой линии (предполагаемое пятиюродное родство)

Причем, у 1 и 2 Хуторянских (не взирая что они генетические родственники) на такой глубине родство может быть совсем по другой предковой линии (одной из 32-х), а не обязательно по линии Хуторянских. В данном случае, как говорят, просто "однофамильцы"   smile


Как показано на дереве второго Хуторянского, дальнее родство с Хуторянским(1) может быть по одной линии Хуторянских,
А родство с Окарой по другой линии Хуторянских

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Результат третьего Хуторянского на предмет близости к протестированням популяциям


4 Ancestors Oracle
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian_West @ 6,140237
2 Russian_Voronezh @ 6,510954
3 Russian_Smolensk @ 6,638171
4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 6,975341
5 Russian_Tambov @ 7,123729
6 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,475101
7 Russian_Center @ 7,600592
8 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7,812348
9 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,961194
10 Belarusian_East @ 8,155755
11 Russian_Oryol @ 8,240712
12 Russian_Kursk @ 8,486622
13 PL_average @ 8,531652
14 PL_Mazovia @ 8,689768
15 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 9,085978
16 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,383618
17 Russian_Rostov @ 9,588664
18 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,859887
19 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,94023
20 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 9,998222
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73865
2 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,796998
3 Belarusian_West+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,871425
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov @ 5,880754
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov @ 5,92598
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Voronezh @ 6,087372
7 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 6,140237
8 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Voronezh @ 6,193825
9 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,199303
10 Belarusian_West+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,26949
11 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov @ 6,35551
12 Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 6,376842
13 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Rostov @ 6,383375
14 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,409965
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,434586
16 Belarusian_West+Russian_Rostov @ 6,435275
17 PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 6,44766
18 Russian_Smolensk+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 6,455056
19 Belarusian_West+Russian_Center @ 6,456747
20 Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk @ 6,45887
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,58645
2 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,611792
3 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,663339
4 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,66531
5 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5,668511
6 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,720076
7 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73865
8 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 5,73868
9 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 5,742275
10 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Tambov +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5,749085
11 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,796998
12 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,797481
13 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Rostov @ 5,805618
14 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,807964
15 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 5,810318
16 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Rostov @ 5,851119
17 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Kostroma @ 5,865696
18 50% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kostroma @ 5,867572
19 50% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 5,870675
20 50% Russian_Tambov +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,871369
9529535 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,58645
2 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov @ 5,608723
3 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov @ 5,611792
4 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,663339
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov @ 5,66531
6 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,668511
7 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,710491
8 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,720076
9 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73865
10 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,73868
11 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,742275
12 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,749085
13 Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,754894
14 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,760965
15 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,787477
16 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,792144
17 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,796998
18 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,797481
19 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,801299
20 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Rostov @ 5,805618
21 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov @ 5,807964
22 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,810318
23 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,812761
24 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,815889
25 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,816764
26 Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+PL_Sudovia+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,834109
27 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,842533
28 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov @ 5,848367
29 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Rostov @ 5,851119
30 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,857013
31 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,858456
32 Russian_Tambov+Russian_Voronezh+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,860427
33 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Kostroma @ 5,865696
34 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kostroma @ 5,867572
35 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 5,870675
36 Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia+Russian_Pskov @ 5,871369
37 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Voronezh @ 5,871425
38 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,874867
39 Belarusian_West+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov @ 5,87602
40 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov @ 5,879002
120685024 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia @ 2,938833
2 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,304
3 Belarusian_West @ 3,322362
4 PL_Mazovia @ 3,452798
5 Russian_Smolensk @ 3,466477
6 Belarusian_East @ 3,611463
7 Russian_Pskov @ 3,645844
8 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,648508
9 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,673956
10 Pl_north @ 3,697136
11 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,784473
12 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,794301
13 Russian_Oryol @ 3,822354
14 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,857677
15 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,862224
16 Russian_Tambov @ 3,867837
17 PL_average @ 3,900048
18 Russian_Kursk @ 3,909344
19 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3,922503
20 Russian_Center @ 3,925876
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia @ 2,938833
2 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,059528
3 Belarusian_West+PL_Sudovia @ 3,078307
4 PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia @ 3,110973
5 PL_Sudovia+Pl_north @ 3,201093
6 PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,212178
7 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,214564
8 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,221622
9 PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,231635
10 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov @ 3,236994
11 PL_Sudovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,253746
12 Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,254257
13 PL_Wielkopolska+Russian_Pskov @ 3,295396
14 PL_Sudovia+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,296733
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,304
16 PL_Sudovia+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,307063
17 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 3,322362
18 PL_Sudovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,351563
19 Pl_Kashubians+Russian_Pskov @ 3,361801
20 Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia @ 3,371467
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,015255
2 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,018231
3 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,089135
4 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,089908
5 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,101698
6 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,105654
7 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,110973
8 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,113286
9 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,114175
10 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Pl_north @ 3,123673
11 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Sweden_north +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,124706
12 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,130784
13 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,142881
14 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Pl_north @ 3,145971
15 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 3,147927
16 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,154769
17 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_north @ 3,158317
18 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,164
19 50% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,171686
20 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Sweden_north +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,17437
12465828 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,154769
2 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+PL_Sudovia @ 3,184745
3 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,219721
4 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,226593
5 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,229805
6 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,234469
7 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,252497
8 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov @ 3,254487
9 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,262952
10 Denmark+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,268681
11 Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,271402
12 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,271856
13 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,276306
14 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,278633
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,280057
16 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,285068
17 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Bryansk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,285248
18 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,289124
19 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,291556
20 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,297955
21 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 3,298515
22 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,300671
23 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,300901
24 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,301264
25 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,304
26 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_East+PL_Sudovia @ 3,304553
27 Belarusian_West+PL_Mazovia+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,307016
28 Belarusian_East+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,307287
29 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,313151
30 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,314143
31 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Bryansk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,321381
32 Belarusian_Polesye+Pl_north+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 3,3214
33 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,321776
34 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West+Belarusian_West @ 3,322362
35 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_East+Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia @ 3,32424
36 Belarusian_West+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,326581
37 Sweden_north+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,33191
38 Belarusian_West+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Bryansk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,332063
39 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,334729
40 Belarusian_West+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Smolensk+PL_Sudovia @ 3,340955
175435594 iterations.


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