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Тема: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект


  Для участия в геногеографическом проекте "Полтавщина и ее заселение" приглашаются все желающие, чьи предки происходят с Полтавской земли.
  Под "Полтавщиной" в данном случае следует понимать территорию Полтавского полка / Полтавского уезда, куда в XVII веке переселялись козаки и посполитые Правобережной Украины. Также обращаю внимание к этой теме тех, чьи предки могут происходить с Брацлавщины или Подолья XVII века, а также тех, кто мог вернуться назад домой с Полтавщины в начале XVIII века.


  Project Website
www.familytreedna.com/public/poltavaregion/


ТЕРРИТОРИЯ ПОЛКА

В 1649 году (Зборовский договор) 19 сотен.
Полковой город - Полтава (3 сотни);
Сотенные города: Зиньков, Кобыляк, Опишне, Богачка, Бирки (слоботка), Кузимин (мисто), Бирки (мисто), Ковалевка (мистечко), Балаклыя, Лукомля, Веприк, Гадяч, Книшовка, Подолки (мисто), Рашивка, Лютенька.

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Карта Полтавского полка по А.Билоусько

К 1654 году (Присяга на подданство) в переписи появляются: Билоцеркивци (слоботка), Решетиливка (слоботка), Бильске (мисто), Старые Санжары (город), Новые Санжари (слоботка), Котельва (мисто), Грунь (город).

С 1660-х гг. территория полка значительно меняется. На базе Гадяцкого ключа создаются новые полки (Гадяцкий и Зиньковский). В нижнем Поворскле и Поорелю на землях Чигиринского полка и на незаселенных землях появляются новые сотни Полтавского полка - Келебердянская, Кишинска, Переволочанска, Соколска, Орелска, Китайгородска, Царичанска, Маяцка, Нефорощанска.

C конца 17 века территория Полтавского полка приобретает "классический" вид

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4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is Y:\Downloads\Admix4_097-2\k36_v1_commas.txt
36 components mode.
Population data has been read.  336 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Person: Okara
Threshold of components set to 0,25%


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,81573
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,042867
4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,470627
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 7,392025
6 PL_average @ 7,830018
7 Russian_Oryol @ 7,977798
8 PL_South_Poland @ 8,252941
9 Slovak @ 8,282922
10 PL_Mazovia @ 8,337921
11 Belarusian_West @ 8,338392
12 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 8,383008
13 Belarusian_East @ 8,703386
14 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,036041
15 Russian_Bryansk @ 9,161671
16 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 9,163039
17 Russian_Kursk @ 9,217605
18 Russian_Voronezh @ 9,441561
19 PL_Wielkopolska @ 9,717708
20 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 9,741885
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,867576
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,994033
3 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,01022
4 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,113128
6 Croatian+Lithuanian @ 5,298478
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,383087
8 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,435533
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,483698
10 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,555998
11 Serbian+Lithuanian @ 5,672257
12 PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,677281
13 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,68061
14 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,690553
15 West_Serbian+Lithuanian @ 5,77347
16 Belarusian_East+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 5,794323
17 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,81573
18 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,859729
19 Russian_Bryansk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 5,897176
20 Slovak+Belarusian_East @ 5,902563
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Bosnian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,505468
2 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,520073
3 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,576242
4 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,577447
5 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Croatian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,589397
6 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,651463
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,662944
8 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,681669
9 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,715693
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,727906
11 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% West_Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,748823
12 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Lithuanian +25% Montenegro @ 4,74972
13 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,754413
14 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,760813
15 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,773123
16 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,788987
17 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,789171
18 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,799254
19 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Bryansk @ 4,81582
20 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,817509
9934819 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,419465
2 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,423291
3 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,494612
4 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,505468
5 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,520073
6 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,520111
7 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,521453
8 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,576242
9 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,577447
10 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,589397
11 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,589583
12 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,618436
13 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,63502
14 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,651463
15 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,65262
16 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,656406
17 Slovak+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,662944
18 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,681669
19 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,684947
20 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,685553
21 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,68739
22 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,688815
23 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,705835
24 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,714103
25 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,715693
26 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,724396
27 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,727906
28 Lithuanian+Montenegro+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,729337
29 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,743783
30 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,748823
31 Lithuanian+Montenegro+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,74972
32 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,754413
33 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,760813
34 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,7715
35 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,773123
36 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,776895
37 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,788987
38 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,789171
39 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,795574
40 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,799254
150697211 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
3 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,06622
4 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,091037
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,280747
6 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,37224
7 Russian_Oryol @ 3,405984
8 PL_Mazovia @ 3,485457
9 Ukrainian_Central @ 3,490209
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,547812
11 Russian_Kursk @ 3,56348
12 Pl_Kashubians @ 3,622248
13 PL_average @ 3,664905
14 Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,743131
15 PL_South_Poland @ 3,756723
16 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,927201
17 Slovak @ 3,946364
18 Belarusian_West @ 3,980428
19 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,131565
20 German_East @ 4,238982
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
2 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,932836
3 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,952998
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,981064
5 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,985695
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
7 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,020527
8 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,022358
9 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,039456
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,048358
11 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,054739
12 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,056201
13 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,06622
14 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,071166
15 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,090886
16 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,091037
17 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,095581
18 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,109666
19 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,121021
20 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,127899
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,90954
2 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia @ 2,921899
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,922393
4 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,932836
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 2,944073
6 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,952998
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,954251
8 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,954648
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,956978
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,958099
11 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,961263
12 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,962441
13 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,963413
14 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,969443
15 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Russian_Pskov @ 2,970096
16 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,971575
17 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,972754
18 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia @ 2,977738
19 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,981064
20 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,985695
12063940 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,90954
2 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,921899
3 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,922393
4 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
5 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,932836
6 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,952998
7 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,954251
8 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,954648
9 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,956978
10 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,958099
11 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,958266
12 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,961263
13 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,962441
14 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,963413
15 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,969443
16 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,971575
17 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,972754
18 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,977738
19 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,981064
20 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,985695
21 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,986898
22 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,988198
23 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,000414
24 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,001588
25 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,004176
26 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,006784
27 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
28 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,01092
29 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,013878
30 Russian_Kursk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,014174
31 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,021588
32 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,022358
33 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,022791
34 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,023613
35 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,030401
36 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,032933
37 PL_Upper_Silesia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,03341
38 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,03513
39 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,038146
40 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,039456
283500379 iterations.

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4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is Y:\Downloads\Admix4_097-2\k36_v1_commas.txt
36 components mode.
Population data has been read.  336 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Person: Яценко


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 14,450262
2 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 14,463198
3 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 15,355388
4 PL_South_Poland @ 15,392454
5 Slovak @ 15,454132
6 Ukrainian_West @ 15,482008
7 Russian_Tambov @ 15,775551
8 Hungary @ 15,814648
9 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 16,02259
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 16,118605
11 NE_Romania @ 16,223925
12 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 16,224258
13 PL_average @ 16,335366
14 Slovenian @ 16,666017
15 Ukrainian_Central @ 16,708321
16 Romania_Central @ 16,709172
17 Czechs_Moravians @ 16,805682
18 Belarusian_West @ 16,930296
19 Croatian @ 17,392116
20 Belarusian_Polesye @ 17,495353
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 NE_Romania+Russian_Tambov @ 12,210054
2 Romania_Central+Russian_Tambov @ 12,232362
3 Romania_NW+Russian_Tambov @ 12,245818
4 Romania_NW+Belarusian_West @ 12,294367
5 NE_Romania+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 12,468969
6 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East @ 12,570505
7 NE_Romania+Belarusian_West @ 12,59435
8 Romania_NW+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 12,63127
9 Romania_Central+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 12,65675
10 Romania_Central+Belarusian_West @ 12,704907
11 Romania_NW+Belarusian_Polesye @ 12,742912
12 Romania_NW+Russian_Smolensk @ 12,747296
13 Romania_NW+Russian_Center @ 12,772995
14 Romania_NW+Russian_Bryansk @ 12,827962
15 NE_Romania+Russian_Center @ 12,882411
16 Romania_Central+Russian_Center @ 12,901641
17 Romania_SE+Russian_Tambov @ 12,951622
18 NE_Romania+Russian_Smolensk @ 12,988592
19 NE_Romania+Belarusian_East @ 12,998878
20 NE_Romania+Belarusian_Polesye @ 13,026535
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Tambov +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,538927
2 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,564883
3 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Asturia +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 11,572009
4 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Asturia +25% Russian_Tambov @ 11,593089
5 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Spain_average +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 11,61843
6 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Spain_average +25% Russian_Tambov @ 11,638884
7 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,642126
8 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Belarusian_East +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,643655
9 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Russian_Tambov @ 11,650087
10 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Center +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,654173
11 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Russian_Don_Cossack @ 11,655423
12 50% Lithuanian +25% Turkish_Anatolia +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,659752
13 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Asturia +25% Russian_Tambov @ 11,679683
14 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Belarusian_East +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,679937
15 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Asturia +25% Belarusian_West @ 11,683761
16 50% Lithuanian +25% Greek_Azov +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,689408
17 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Russian_Tambov +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,719135
18 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Belarusian_West +25% Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,723869
19 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Spain_average +25% Russian_Tambov @ 11,726216
20 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Asturia +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 11,730226
14302016 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 BLG_Turk+Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,383095
2 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,466811
3 BLG_Turk+Lithuanian+Russian_Center+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,48019
4 BLG_Turk+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,506956
5 BLG_Turk+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,508199
6 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,538927
7 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,564883
8 BLG_Turk+Spain_Centabria+Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov @ 11,569196
9 Asturia+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 11,572009
10 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Center+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,577796
11 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,586497
12 Asturia+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov @ 11,593089
13 Belarusian_East+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,597493
14 BLG_Turk+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,605221
15 Spain_Centabria+Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov @ 11,614553
16 Spain_average+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 11,61843
17 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,627377
18 Spain_average+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov @ 11,638884
19 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,642126
20 Belarusian_East+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,643655
21 BLG_Turk+Lithuanian+Belarusian_West+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,647789
22 Spain_Centabria+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov @ 11,650087
23 Russian_Center+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,654173
24 Russian_Center+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,654983
25 Spain_Centabria+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 11,655423
26 Asturia+Belarusian_West+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov @ 11,657095
27 Turkish_Anatolia+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,659752
28 Belarusian_West+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,669087
29 Bulgaria+Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,671022
30 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,678582
31 Asturia+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 11,679683
32 Belarusian_East+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,679937
33 Asturia+Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 11,683761
34 Greek_Azov+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,689408
35 Turkish_Anatolia+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,707996
36 BLG_Turk+Spain_Centabria+Lithuanian+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 11,711395
37 Asturia+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov @ 11,714797
38 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,716633
39 Romania_Central+Lithuanian+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,716677
40 Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Spain_La-Rioja @ 11,719135
371418311 iterations.


Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungary @ 6,585437
2 Moldavian @ 6,901917
3 Romania_SE @ 6,979105
4 West_Serbian @ 7,030331
5 Serbian @ 7,21226
6 NE_Romania @ 7,289322
7 Romania_SW @ 7,305952
8 Bosnian @ 7,32072
9 Croatian @ 7,392474
10 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 7,398213
11 South_Romania @ 7,424044
12 Bulgaria @ 7,481821
13 Slovak @ 7,792904
14 Montenegro @ 8,095253
15 Romania_NW @ 8,338522
16 Ukrainian_Central @ 8,660392
17 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 8,717449
18 BLG_Turk @ 8,73993
19 Slovenian @ 8,96071
20 Macedonia_FYROM @ 9,286061
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Bosnian+Russian_Tambov @ 5,443034
2 Bulgaria+Russian_Tambov @ 5,483626
3 West_Serbian+Russian_Tambov @ 5,619449
4 NE_Romania+Russian_Tambov @ 5,632332
5 Serbian+Russian_Tambov @ 5,73346
6 IT_Friuli+Russian_Tambov @ 5,813104
7 Greek_Macedonia+Russian_Tambov @ 5,828316
8 Albania_North+Russian_Tambov @ 5,840266
9 Russian_Tambov+Montenegro @ 5,851745
10 Albania_Montenegro+Russian_Tambov @ 5,858919
11 South_Romania+Russian_Tambov @ 5,865066
12 Romania_SE+Russian_Tambov @ 5,873737
13 Greek_Peloponnes+Russian_Tambov @ 5,877825
14 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,913171
15 Romania_Central+Russian_Tambov @ 5,917652
16 Bulgaria+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,965987
17 Romania_SW+Russian_Tambov @ 5,968215
18 Romania_Central+Russian_Oryol @ 5,998781
19 Gr_Eubea+Russian_Tambov @ 6,002429
20 Romania_Central+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,031239
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,374581
2 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Greek_Peloponnes +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,397357
3 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Romania_NW +25% Bulgaria @ 5,405888
4 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Bulgaria +25% Bosnian @ 5,411541
5 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,436611
6 50% Bosnian +25% Russian_Tambov +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,443034
7 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% Belarusian_West @ 5,445956
8 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Greek_Peloponnes +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,466295
9 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,477256
10 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Bulgaria +25% West_Serbian @ 5,478685
11 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% Slovenian @ 5,480927
12 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% PL_South_Poland @ 5,483427
13 50% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Tambov +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,483626
14 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 5,484478
15 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Central +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 5,485531
16 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Greek_Peloponnes +25% Belarusian_West @ 5,485572
17 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Greek_Macedonia +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,49159
18 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Romania_Central +25% Bosnian @ 5,49417
19 50% Russian_Tambov +25% Romania_NW +25% Bosnian @ 5,496611
20 50% Russian_Tambov +25% GR_Dodecanes +25% Russian_Tambov @ 5,498866
18966360 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 GR_Central+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,374581
2 Greek_Peloponnes+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,397357
3 Romania_NW+Bulgaria+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,405888
4 Bulgaria+Bosnian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,411541
5 GR_Central+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,436611
6 Bosnian+Bosnian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,443034
7 GR_Central+Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,445956
8 Greek_Peloponnes+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,466295
9 GR_Central+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,477256
10 Bulgaria+West_Serbian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,478685
11 GR_Central+Slovenian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,480927
12 GR_Central+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_South_Poland @ 5,483427
13 Bulgaria+Bulgaria+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,483626
14 GR_Central+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,484478
15 GR_Central+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,485531
16 Greek_Peloponnes+Belarusian_West+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,485572
17 Greek_Macedonia+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,49159
18 Romania_Central+Bosnian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,49417
19 Romania_NW+Bosnian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,496611
20 GR_Dodecanes+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,498866
21 IT_Friuli+Bosnian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,501134
22 Greek_Peloponnes+Slovenian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,5023
23 GR_Central+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_average @ 5,505378
24 GR_Central+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 5,505507
25 Gr_Kalymnos+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,50832
26 Bulgaria+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,509164
27 Greek_Peloponnes+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_South_Poland @ 5,517684
28 West_Serbian+Bosnian+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,517702
29 Greek_Peloponnes+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,518965
30 GR_Central+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,520046
31 IT_Friuli+Bulgaria+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,52043
32 Greek_Peloponnes+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,52077
33 GR_Central+Russian_Center+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,520789
34 GR_Central+Slovak+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,521564
35 IT_Apulia+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,521616
36 NE_Romania+Bulgaria+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,522729
37 GR_Central+Belarusian_East+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,524586
38 Greek_Peloponnes+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 5,527084
39 Romania_Central+Bulgaria+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,527952
40 Greek_Peloponnes+Romania_NW+Russian_Tambov+Russian_Tambov @ 5,528341
540597876 iterations.

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Ну!!! Дякую, сам не вмію, хотів Вас попросити.

R1a - Z2123 FTDNA, Y934* Yseq

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Это Оракул по данным с середины лета
Обещают в скором времени выложить обновленные популяции с их географическим представлением (на карте)

Здесь тема
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Роскладка по компонентам (K36) семи человек из "Полтавской" выборки


PopulationSokhan_1Polomij_2Lytvyn_3Zlobynetz_4Kalnyk_5Khutoryanskiy_6Okara_7
Amerindian0,000,000,000,000,160,000,00
Arabian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Armenian0,000,000,600,000,890,000,12
Basque2,210,000,002,402,891,381,69
Central_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Central_Euro10,104,977,885,339,2710,309,26
East_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Balkan7,698,968,507,8910,367,567,17
East_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Central_Euro23,7021,0527,2121,5126,1924,9725,97
East_Med0,000,110,000,000,000,000,00
Eastern_Euro16,7616,7014,5518,0915,7914,2616,59
Fennoscandian10,479,3811,5611,0711,3212,1810,62
French3,623,695,846,002,511,232,48
Iberian8,087,380,582,243,608,352,95
Indo-Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Italian6,056,064,746,781,164,249,23
Malayan0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Near_Eastern0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
North_African0,000,000,000,000,120,000,47
North_Atlantic5,135,6011,415,032,909,365,59
North_Caucasian1,162,931,774,182,810,001,67
North_Sea3,5210,745,376,007,694,805,70
Northeast_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Oceanian0,000,700,000,000,000,000,00
Omotic0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Pygmy0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Siberian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Asian0,000,000,000,940,000,000,00
South_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Volga-Ural1,511,500,002,552,340,000,47
West_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
West_Caucasian0,000,000,000,000,001,350,00
West_Med0,000,210,000,000,000,000,00

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И их локация в регионе


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Лукаш с Антрогеники пересчитал для Окары Оракул K36 с новыми выборками
www.anthrogenica.com/showthread. … post311359


В сравнении получается (новые UKR выборки выделены зеленым, Полтавская переделана по-своему)
Сокращено до 10

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,81573
3 Ukraine_Poltava @5,976578_
4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,470627
_5 PL_Lubelskie @ 7,214243_
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 7,392025
7 Russian_Oryol @ 7,977798
8 PL_South_Poland @ 8,252941
9 Slovak @ 8,282922
10 PL_Mazovia @ 8,337921
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,867576
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,994033
3 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,01022
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov_@ 5,027066
5 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
6 Bosnian+Lithuanian @ 5,139236
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Kharkov_ @ 5,146211
8 Croats_BIH+Lithuanian @ 5,233137
9 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,253721
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Volhyn_ @ 5,269134
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croats_BIH +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,861348
2 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,977966
3 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,029108
4 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovenian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,052868
5 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Bosnian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,19639
6 50% Slovak +25% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Lithuanian @ 4,212844
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,232595
8 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,281304
9 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,293637
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Moldavian +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,306879
12676214 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,820447
2 Croats_BIH+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 3,822828
3 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,860324
4 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,861348
5 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,86948
6 Croats_BIH+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,906133
7 Bosnian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,908238
8 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 3,932947
9 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,977966
10 Croats_BIH+Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,022139
11 Croats_BIH+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 4,025684
12 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,029108
13 Slovenian+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 4,030931
14 Bosnian+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 4,040467
15 Slovenian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,052868
16 Bosnian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 4,074469
17 Croats_BIH+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,084794
18 Bosnian+Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 4,090754
19 Croats_BIH+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava+Lithuanian @ 4,090899
20 Croats_BIH+Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 4,106101
145084408 iterations.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,81573
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,042867
4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,470627
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 7,392025
6 PL_average @ 7,830018
7 Russian_Oryol @ 7,977798
8 PL_South_Poland @ 8,252941
9 Slovak @ 8,282922
10 PL_Mazovia @ 8,337921
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,867576
2 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,994033
3 Slovak+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,01022
4 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 5,030759
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,113128
6 Croatian+Lithuanian @ 5,298478
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,383087
8 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,435533
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,483698
10 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,555998
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Bosnian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,505468
2 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,520073
3 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,576242
4 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,577447
5 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Croatian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,589397
6 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 4,651463
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,662944
8 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,681669
9 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,715693
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,727906
9934819 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,419465
2 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,423291
3 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,494612
4 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,505468
5 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,520073
6 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,520111
7 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,521453
8 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,576242
9 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,577447
10 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,589397
11 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,589583
12 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,618436
13 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,63502
14 Serbian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,651463
15 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,65262
16 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,656406
17 Slovak+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,662944
18 Croatian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,681669
19 Croatian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,684947
20 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,685553
150697211 iterations.

Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
_1 Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,759359_
2 Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,009589
3 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,06622
5 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,186457
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,280747
7 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,37224
8 Russian_Oryol @ 3,405984
9 PL_Behar @ 3,416154
10 PL_Mazovia @ 3,485457
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
_1 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,20288
2 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 2,509497
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3 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,580849
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,615119
5 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava @ 2,627423
6 Russian_Kursk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,631113
7 PL_Behar+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,652984
8 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,658371
9 Russian_Oryol+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,659105
10 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 2,678217
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,284616
2 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Lithuanian @ 2,33664
3 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Lithuanian @ 2,343367
4 50% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,344831
5 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,361666
6 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Latvian @ 2,424198
7 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Latvian @ 2,424973
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,427625
9 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 2,445517
10 50% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,446143

Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
3 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,06622
4 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,091037
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 3,280747
6 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,37224
7 Russian_Oryol @ 3,405984
8 PL_Mazovia @ 3,485457
9 Ukrainian_Central @ 3,490209
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,547812
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
2 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,932836
3 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,952998
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,981064
5 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,985695
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,009732
7 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,020527
8 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,022358
9 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,039456
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,048358
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,90954
2 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia @ 2,921899
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,922393
4 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,932836
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 2,944073
6 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,952998
7 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,954251
8 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,954648
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 2,956978
10 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,958099

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

А вот и первый батч для рождественских апгрейдов   smile


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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

У бабушки появился совпаденец с предковой фамилией Плюта из Решетиловки
Степень родства далекая (5th Cousin - Remote Cousin), но вполне закономерная
Слобода Надежда (1760) и соседняя Пещаная (1755) заселялась жителями Решетиловки в значительной мере


В целом новый участник проекта совпадает с несколькими участниками:

Kozhevnikov    35.05    8.04    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Sokhan    66.06    8.58    24    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Mironenko    48.84    9.29    17    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Doroshenko    47.27    7.89    17    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin

Замечу что Мироненко из слободы Урыв Острогожского слободского полка
Который в свою очередь пересекается с Поломием из Диканьки и Туренко итд


В общем картину только на этих двух уровнях можно представить следующим образом:


А треугольник: Решетиловка - Диканька - Надежда - Решетиловка; кто заметил?   smile

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

borisovichi пишет:

Во-первых, по Хуторянским:


Ждем аутосомы


Начали загружать аутосомные результаты второго Хуторянского:

Karmazin    44.95    7.92    13    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Churkina    35.41    8.92    14    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Salaniuk    33.18    8.93    11    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    56.23    16.03    17    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin


В дальнем родстве оказался первый Хуторянский. Теперь понятно почему на 12 маркерах дистанция -1
Как раз при таком родстве (ориентировочно 4,5 учитывая разные поколения) получается 9 поколенных переходов (9/2 = 4,5)
При таком количестве переходов могла случиться как миниму одна STR мутация на маркерах

Такой же степени родство получается у второго Хуторянского и с Окарой
* Кстати, триангуляция одного Хуторянского по другому дает только дного совпаденца … Окару    smile
Вспоминаем родовое дерево первого Хуторянского и Окары…


Дождемся результата анализа на Гедматч…

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Загружены данные  по V_Khutoriansky на Гедматч


Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population    
Amerindian    -   
Arabian    1.05
Armenian    -   
Basque    1.29
Central_African    -   
Central_Euro    5.31
East_African    -   
East_Asian    -   
East_Balkan    7.53
East_Central_Asian    -   
East_Central_Euro    29.25
East_Med    -   
Eastern_Euro    17.88
Fennoscandian    10.14
French    3.43
Iberian    3.91
Indo-Chinese    -   
Italian    8.68
Malayan    -   
Near_Eastern    -   
North_African    -   
North_Atlantic    6.46
North_Caucasian    1.16
North_Sea    0.45
Northeast_African    -   
Oceanian    -   
Omotic    -   
Pygmy    -   
Siberian    -   
South_Asian    -   
South_Central_Asian    -   
South_Chinese    -   
Volga-Ural    3.46
West_African    -   
West_Caucasian    -   
West_Med    -

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Готов результат ФФ по Павелко из Малой Кручи под Пирятином


Совпаденцы из проекта

Okara    45.06    15.07    15    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Kononenko    44.36    14.42    15    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    40.84    19.52    11    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin


Среди других совпаденцев Сапелин из Харькова, Белянская с родственниками, вероятно родственница Белянскому из проекта что с Кубани, Сакун из Прилуцкого полка от форумчанки татиа и др.


Загружены данные и на Гедматч
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population    
Amerindian    -   
Arabian    -   
Armenian    -   
Basque    1.15
Central_African    -   
Central_Euro    6.45
East_African    -   
East_Asian    -   
East_Balkan    9.13
East_Central_Asian    -   
East_Central_Euro    21.64
East_Med    2.34
Eastern_Euro    20.26
Fennoscandian    8.33
French    5.30
Iberian    3.04
Indo-Chinese    -   
Italian    -   
Malayan    -   
Near_Eastern    -   
North_African    -   
North_Atlantic    7.81
North_Caucasian    4.65
North_Sea    6.97
Northeast_African    -   
Oceanian    -   
Omotic    -   
Pygmy    -   
Siberian    -   
South_Asian    0.06
South_Central_Asian    1.26
South_Chinese    -   
Volga-Ural    1.61
West_African    -   
West_Caucasian    -   
West_Med    -

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Оракул K36 по V_Khutoriansky (популяции по состоянию на сер. лета - старая версия)


4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
2 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,348271
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,663332
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 10,101524
5 Belarusian_Polesye @ 10,470004
6 Belarusian_East @ 11,035388
7 Belarusian_West @ 11,305705
8 Russian_Oryol @ 11,365166
9 Russian_Bryansk @ 11,561894
10 Russian_Smolensk @ 11,600784
11 Russian_Center @ 11,854863
12 Russian_Kursk @ 12,109293
13 Russian_Tambov @ 12,356828
14 PL_Mazovia @ 12,548303
15 PL_average @ 12,563308
16 Slovak @ 12,838402
17 Russian_Voronezh @ 12,940571
18 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 13,093738
19 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 13,134776
20 Russian_Pskov @ 13,158252
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,622604
3 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,646378
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,792164
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,040373
6 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 9,348271
7 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,363551
8 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,364982
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,404803
10 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,417271
11 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,425665
12 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,526703
13 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 9,534815
14 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,567578
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,618037
16 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,632367
17 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,650189
18 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,663332
19 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,679103
20 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Central @ 9,703111
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,368179
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,431078
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,435547
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,574997
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,577259
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,606444
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,622604
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,634982
9 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,646378
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,65935
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,705766
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,720767
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,723667
14 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 8,737613
15 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,74595
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,749626
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,772544
18 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 8,78834
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Pskov @ 8,788445
20 50% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,792164
13155209 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,368179
3 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,431078
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,435547
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,574997
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,577259
7 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,606444
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,622604
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,634982
10 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,646378
11 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,65935
12 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,705766
13 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,720767
14 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,723667
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,737613
16 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,74595
17 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,749626
18 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,772544
19 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,78834
20 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,788445
21 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,792164
22 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,798446
23 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,819978
24 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,833353
25 Slovak+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,841285
26 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,856917
27 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,857839
28 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,866945
29 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,871389
30 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,87669
31 Russian_Tambov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,884317
32 Slovak+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,893217
33 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,893842
34 Russian_Center+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,900985
35 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,91302
36 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,917232
37 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,922781
38 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,926437
39 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,927175
40 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,928933
303714385 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
2 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,906376
3 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,033186
4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,259576
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,283255
6 Russian_Oryol @ 4,367088
7 PL_Mazovia @ 4,368782
8 PL_average @ 4,455211
9 Russian_Kursk @ 4,526571
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,567386
11 Russian_Bryansk @ 4,606811
12 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,616398
13 Russian_Voronezh @ 4,652763
14 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,659132
15 Slovak @ 4,677595
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,708985
17 Belarusian_West @ 4,715515
18 PL_South_Poland @ 4,76121
19 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,825714
20 Russian_Tambov @ 4,854357
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
2 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,90349
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,906376
4 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,920069
5 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,930984
6 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,945559
7 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,954555
8 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,95652
9 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,970275
10 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,97658
11 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,994261
12 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,996868
13 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov @ 4,001169
14 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,003036
15 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,021861
16 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 4,022125
17 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Mazovia @ 4,032654
18 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,033186
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,043108
20 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 4,047036
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,699846
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,757708
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,760999
4 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,78362
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,793945
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,797708
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,806887
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,807617
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,80976
10 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,81403
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,82192
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Lithuanian +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,824918
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,830383
14 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,832014
15 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,834759
16 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,835776
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,836477
18 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Latvian +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,83665
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,843783
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,852429
14371535 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,699846
2 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,757708
3 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,760999
4 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,78362
5 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,793945
6 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,797708
7 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,806887
8 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,807617
9 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,80976
10 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,81403
11 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,82192
12 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,824918
13 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,830383
14 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,832014
15 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,834759
16 Russian_Voronezh+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,834926
17 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,835776
18 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,836477
19 Latvian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,83665
20 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,839686
21 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,841998
22 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,843783
23 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,848119
24 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,852429
25 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,854198
26 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,854834
27 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,856812
28 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,860701
29 Belarusian_West+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,861324
30 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,863298
31 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,867285
32 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,868938
33 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,871331
34 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,872809
35 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,875223
36 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,876603
37 Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,876658
38 Lithuanian+Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,878294
39 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,879799
40 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
503909244 iterations.

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Оракул K36 по Павелко (популяции по состоянию на сер. лета - старая версия)


4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,438963
2 Russian_Oryol @ 8,236523
3 Russian_Kursk @ 8,449786
4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,554477
5 Russian_Voronezh @ 8,663197
6 Ukrainian_Central @ 8,967342
7 Ukrainian_West @ 9,067035
8 PL_average @ 9,166129
9 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,221788
10 Russian_Center @ 9,259282
11 Russian_Tambov @ 9,469233
12 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 9,648841
13 Belarusian_West @ 9,655929
14 PL_Mazovia @ 9,774358
15 Belarusian_East @ 9,996565
16 Ukrainian_North_East @ 10,012147
17 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 10,129707
18 PL_South_Poland @ 10,459258
19 Belarusian_Polesye @ 10,462853
20 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 10,649134
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk @ 7,316774
2 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,371267
3 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,438963
4 Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,56092
5 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Oryol @ 7,591215
6 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_West @ 7,616611
7 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,636937
8 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Central @ 7,69256
9 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,740138
10 PL_average+Moksha @ 7,770074
11 Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,792895
12 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_West @ 7,794171
13 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Smolensk @ 7,81483
14 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Voronezh @ 7,829999
15 PL_Mazovia+Moksha @ 7,831861
16 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average @ 7,846838
17 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 7,873694
18 Russian_Center+Russian_Don_Cossack @ 7,896502
19 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,898888
20 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,911131
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Moksha @ 6,907479
2 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,004738
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Moksha @ 7,063453
4 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Moksha @ 7,080057
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Erzya @ 7,090608
6 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Pl_north +25% Moksha @ 7,095887
7 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Moksha @ 7,109584
8 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,130257
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_average +25% Moksha @ 7,145375
10 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Erzya +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,157813
11 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Moksha @ 7,162153
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Moksha +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,163917
13 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Belarusian_West +25% Moksha @ 7,188952
14 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Moksha @ 7,191638
15 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,208406
16 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Kursk @ 7,209601
17 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Moksha @ 7,212134
18 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Moksha @ 7,217826
19 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% PL_average +25% Moksha @ 7,220234
20 50% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Russian_Don_Cossack +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,235752
11439637 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,907479
2 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,951637
3 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,004738
4 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,00809
5 PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,063453
6 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,074955
7 Russian_Smolensk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,080057
8 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Smolensk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,080321
9 Russian_Don_Cossack+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,090608
10 Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,095887
11 Russian_Kursk+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,109584
12 Russian_Don_Cossack+Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,121626
13 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,130257
14 Belarusian_West+Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,139144
15 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Mazovia+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,14084
16 PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,145375
17 Russian_Kursk+Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,156271
18 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,157813
19 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_Central+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,159652
20 Russian_Voronezh+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,162153
21 Russian_Kursk+PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,163121
22 Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,163917
23 Russian_Smolensk+Pl_north+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,173759
24 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average+Erzya+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,18783
25 Russian_Smolensk+PL_average+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,188455
26 Belarusian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,188952
27 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Don_Cossack+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,189537
28 Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Upper_Silesia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,19036
29 Ukrainian_West+PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,190613
30 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_Mazovia+Moksha @ 7,191638
31 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Oryol+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,202601
32 Russian_Don_Cossack+Ukrainian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,206379
33 Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,206538
34 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,208406
35 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk @ 7,209601
36 Russian_Oryol+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,212134
37 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Voronezh+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,212269
38 Russian_Meshtchyora+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,217826
39 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_West+Moksha+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,219511
40 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Don_Cossack+PL_average+Moksha @ 7,220234
197171127 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,181694
2 Ukrainian_West @ 4,709406
3 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 4,801643
4 PL_South_Poland @ 4,802811
5 PL_average @ 4,948472
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,979036
7 Russian_Tambov @ 4,992232
8 Russian_Kursk @ 4,994083
9 Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,995247
10 Russian_Center @ 5,043104
11 Slovak @ 5,047277
12 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 5,165483
13 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,20967
14 Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,370206
15 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,434232
16 Czechs_Moravians @ 5,475088
17 Belarusian_West @ 5,486449
18 Slovenian @ 5,594796
19 Russian_Oryol @ 5,823977
20 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,829123
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 4,00622
2 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,014581
3 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,130422
4 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,181694
5 Russian_Kursk+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,183095
6 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,199751
7 Slovak+Russian_Kursk @ 4,271024
8 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,287815
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,296054
10 Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 4,322342
11 Ukrainian_Central+PL_average @ 4,330502
12 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Oryol @ 4,362578
13 Russian_Tambov+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,381139
14 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,381517
15 Slovak+Belarusian_East @ 4,383517
16 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,385008
17 Ukrainian_West+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,389253
18 Russian_Don_Cossack+Russian_Kursk @ 4,395599
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Center @ 4,42195
20 Ukrainian_Central+PL_South_Poland @ 4,423152
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 3,979824
2 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 3,983861
3 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3,988196
4 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Lithuanian @ 4,000843
5 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,00622
6 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,014581
7 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Pl_north @ 4,016948
8 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,020449
9 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Latvian @ 4,022515
10 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,026701
11 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Belarusian_East @ 4,039262
12 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,047659
13 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 4,050609
14 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% PL_Mazovia @ 4,051803
15 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Pskov @ 4,058737
16 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% PL_Sudovia @ 4,071449
17 50% Belarusian_East +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,071662
18 50% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Kursk @ 4,074547
19 50% Ukrainian_Central +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Pl_north @ 4,077842
20 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,079449
15058652 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central @ 3,979824
2 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central @ 3,983861
3 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 3,988196
4 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,000843
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,00622
6 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,014581
7 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,016948
8 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,020449
9 Romania_NW+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,022515
10 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,026701
11 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,039262
12 Romania_NW+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,047659
13 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,050609
14 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia @ 4,051803
15 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 4,058737
16 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Sudovia @ 4,071449
17 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk @ 4,071662
18 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,073874
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 4,074547
20 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,076556
21 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 4,077842
22 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,078515
23 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,079449
24 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk @ 4,079575
25 Romania_NW+Latvian+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk @ 4,081002
26 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,083051
27 Romania_NW+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north @ 4,084614
28 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 4,08865
29 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,090992
30 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Sorb_Lusatia @ 4,092589
31 Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,099184
32 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Pl_north+Russian_Pskov @ 4,100214
33 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia @ 4,101684
34 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 4,103051
35 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Pl_north @ 4,103889
36 Romania_NW+Belarusian_East+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 4,10393
37 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Smolensk @ 4,110057
38 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,111267
39 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,112704
40 Croatian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 4,112794
491812123 iterations.


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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

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Оракул K36 по V_Khutoriansky (популяции по состоянию на сер. лета - старая версия)


Оракул K36 для V_Khutoriansky по обновленным популяциям от Лукаша (Антрогеника)


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,872532
2 Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,316561
3 Ukraine_Poltava @ 8,337396
4 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,348271
5 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 10,101524
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 10,470004
7 Ukraine_Zythomir @ 10,672227
8 PL_Lubelskie @ 10,952161
9 Belarusian_East @ 11,035388
10 Belarusian_West @ 11,305705
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,943494
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,994011
3 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,317128
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,442882
5 PL_Lubelskie+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,629789
6 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,674364
7 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,770388
8 Belarusian_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,846084
9 Russian_Oryol+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,86361
10 Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,872532
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 6,778897
2 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 6,888084
3 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,943494
4 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 6,986624
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,994011
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,995024
7 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,010671
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,021982
9 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,027822
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,037253
15431727 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,778897
2 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,888084
3 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,943494
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,945708
5 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,986624
6 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,994011
7 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,995024
8 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,010671
9 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,021982
10 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,027822
11 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,037253
12 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,049095
13 PL_Lubelskie+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,056425
14 PL_Lubelskie+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,069421
15 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,076802
16 Belarusian_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,081697
17 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,088546
18 Russian_Center+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,093249
19 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,09569
20 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 7,12119
273882358 iterations.


Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,906376
2 Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,922486
3 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,033186
4 PL_Lubelskie @ 4,148524
5 Ukraine_Poltava @ 4,191719
6 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,259576
7 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,283255
8 Russian_Oryol @ 4,367088
9 PL_Mazovia @ 4,368782
10 Ukraine_Zythomir @ 4,424196
363 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Voronezh+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,500778
2 Russian_Voronezh+Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,602175
3 Russian_Voronezh+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,610263
4 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,614964
5 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,629686
6 Russian_Pskov+Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,640844
7 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,661471
8 PL_Lubelskie+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,662191
9 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,676735
10 Russian_Bryansk+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,686204
66066 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,336696
2 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,353603
3 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,359145
4 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,362675
5 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,363544
6 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,403186
7 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Voronezh @ 3,406337
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Latvian @ 3,410798
9 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Russian_Voronezh +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,411612

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Добавил к "Полтавской" выборке другого Хуторянского


PopulationSokhan_1Polomij_2Lytvyn_3Zlobynetz_4Kalnyk_5Khutoryanskiy_6Okara_7Khutoriansky_8
Amerindian0,000,000,000,000,160,000,000,00
Arabian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,001,05
Armenian0,000,000,600,000,890,000,120,00
Basque2,210,000,002,402,891,381,691,29
Central_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Central_Euro10,104,977,885,339,2710,309,265,31
East_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Balkan7,698,968,507,8910,367,567,177,53
East_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Central_Euro23,7021,0527,2121,5126,1924,9725,9729,25
East_Med0,000,110,000,000,000,000,000,00
Eastern_Euro16,7616,7014,5518,0915,7914,2616,5917,88
Fennoscandian10,479,3811,5611,0711,3212,1810,6210,14
French3,623,695,846,002,511,232,483,43
Iberian8,087,380,582,243,608,352,953,91
Indo-Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Italian6,056,064,746,781,164,249,238,68
Malayan0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Near_Eastern0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
North_African0,000,000,000,000,120,000,470,00
North_Atlantic5,135,6011,415,032,909,365,596,46
North_Caucasian1,162,931,774,182,810,001,671,16
North_Sea3,5210,745,376,007,694,805,700,45
Northeast_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Oceanian0,000,700,000,000,000,000,000,00
Omotic0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Pygmy0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Siberian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Asian0,000,000,000,940,000,000,000,00
South_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Volga-Ural1,511,500,002,552,340,000,473,46
West_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
West_Caucasian0,000,000,000,000,001,350,000,00
West_Med0,000,210,000,000,000,000,000,00

10099,98100,01100,01100,0099,9899,98100,00

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Интересно посмотреть сортировку расстояний относительно среднего "полтавчанина"    smile
* по мере пополнения выборки результаты не пересчитывались, сама "полтавская" выборка в оракуле незначительно отличается от нашей (адаптирована по-своему)


Поэтому сам средний "полтавец" на min расстоянии сам от себя   smile

Least-squares method.

Poltava_0: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,126476
Zlobynets_4: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,183521
Okara_7:   3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,042867
Sokhan_1: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,109844
Polomij_2: 4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,554411
Lytvyn_3:  2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,06637
Kalnik_5:  15 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,265945
KHUTORIANSKYI_6: 4 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,337314
Khutoriansky_8: 3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,663332

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Самы близкий к среднему "полтавцу" полтавчанин Злобинец.
Примечательно, что он единственный у кого один из предков мин. сер 19 века с губернского города Полтавы   smile


Gaussian method.

Poltava_0: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,167215
Zlobynets_4: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,564038
Sokhan_1: 2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,924476
Okara_7:   1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,926067
Polomij_2: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 2,964011
Kalnik_5:   6 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,25001
Lytvyn_3:  2 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,472011
Khutoriansky_8: 1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,883784
KHUTORIANSKYI_6: 4 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,585353

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По другому методу расчета у одного из Хуторянских среди 20 первых популяций не оказалось "полтавской"
Ближе всего "Сиверщина"   smile


Некоторые участники проекта у которых только один родитель из "Полтавщины"
Показывают большую близость чем сами "коренные"

Завгородний: 5 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,967223
Пивень: 5 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,222205

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

borisovichi пишет:

Начали загружать аутосомные результаты второго Хуторянского:


KHUTORIANSKYI    65.84    14.75    16    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin
Okara    56.23    16.03    17    4th Cousin    3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin


Дождемся результата анализа на Гедматч…


Помятуя о схеме родства первого Хуторянского с Окарой
http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 38#p160438

Казалось что задачка просто решается
Тем более что по триангуляции получался треугольник Хуторянский - Окара - Хуторянский

Однако, на ФТДНА (1 сМ на 3хр) и Гедматче (3 сМ на 5хр) значимых общих для всех трех пересечений нет
Получается что у всех трех независимое друг от друга попарное родство от двух параллельных предковых линий причем в разных поколениях


Но с другой стороны, имея предиктованное родство на глубину 4,1 (3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin) и 4,4 (3rd Cousin - 5th Cousin) поколений обращаем внимание на документированное родословное дерево и ищем в заданном узле   smile

Для пары Хуторянский(2) - Хуторянский(1) (пра- прадед (4 поколенных переходов) или макс. его брат)
Для пары Хуторянский(2) - Окара (пра(2)- прадед (5 поколенных переходов) и нисходящее дерево)

* Причем для всех предковых линий (а их 16 и 32 соответственно)


Для пары Хуторянский(1) - Окара нам пока хватило и дерева до прадеда (3 поколенных перехода) с одной стороны и пра-прадеда (4 поколенных перехода) с другой

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Странно, что Ваш Хуторянский есть у моей сестры, но ни у меня, ни у папы, ни у двоюродного брата папы его нет

Ищу предков Чуркины, Копейкины(Россия, Волгоградская, Саратовская обл.),   Лубенские, Полуян, Британ (Украина, Днепропетровская область), Болдыревы, Кандаковы (Россия, Ростовская обл), Козловы, Шуварские (Брестская область)

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

FindMyRoots пишет:

Странно, что Ваш Хуторянский есть у моей сестры, но ни у меня, ни у папы, ни у двоюродного брата папы его нет

Да, странно.
С Вашей сестрой пересечение почти пороговое для отсеивания ФТДНА
Наверное это все составные участки так как и на Гедматч наибольшее пересечение у Хуторянского с Вами и Вашей сестрой всего 5.1613 cM, при этом Вашего отца в совпаденцах нет
Наверное какое-то очень дальнее родство по линии мамы

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Есть геном полностью из села Федоровка (сейчас Карловский р-н) от компании Ancestry.com
Интересно посмотреть насколько близки и каким популяция жители этого села


Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions

Population    
Amerindian    -   
Arabian    -   
Armenian    0.05
Basque    3.05
Central_African    -   
Central_Euro    3.39
East_African    -   
East_Asian    -   
East_Balkan    9.75
East_Central_Asian    -   
East_Central_Euro    27.92
East_Med    -   
Eastern_Euro    16.85
Fennoscandian    15.60
French    4.22
Iberian    2.99
Indo-Chinese    -   
Italian    5.64
Malayan    -   
Near_Eastern    -   
North_African    -   
North_Atlantic    3.05
North_Caucasian    3.17
North_Sea    4.32
Northeast_African    -   
Oceanian    -   
Omotic    -   
Pygmy    -   
Siberian    -   
South_Asian    -   
South_Central_Asian    -   
South_Chinese    -   
Volga-Ural    -   
West_African    -   
West_Caucasian    -   
West_Med    -



Оракул K36

4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,865671
2 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,955344
3 Russian_Pskov @ 9,130117
4 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,300599
5 Russian_Kursk @ 9,32013
6 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,423286
7 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,691255
8 Belarusian_West @ 9,709966
9 Russian_Oryol @ 9,716831
10 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,758778
11 Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,795285
12 Russian_Center @ 10,050244
13 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,149556
14 Belarusian_East @ 10,212167
15 Russian_Voronezh @ 10,245276
16 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 10,817076
17 PL_Mazovia @ 11,400249
18 Russian_Tambov @ 11,509248
19 PL_average @ 11,576961
20 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 11,761287
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,05945
2 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 7,561523
3 Slovak+Russian_Pskov @ 7,869284
4 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov @ 7,93226
5 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 7,960521
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov @ 7,962469
7 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,086098
8 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,16323
9 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 8,23754
10 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,239826
11 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,259573
12 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,289191
13 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov @ 8,358726
14 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 8,38342
15 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov @ 8,445526
16 PL_South_Poland+Russian_Pskov @ 8,446578
17 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_North_East @ 8,519655
18 Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,532967
19 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,547997
20 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 8,55245
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,529245
2 50% Russian_Pskov +25% West_Serbian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,709049
3 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,72609
4 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bosnian +25% Lithuanian @ 6,755515
5 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SW +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,800242
6 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Croatian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 6,915334
7 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bosnian +25% Latvian @ 6,926533
8 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SE +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,013294
9 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 7,023359
10 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Montenegro +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,024427
11 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,05945
12 50% Russian_Pskov +25% South_Romania +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,066951
13 50% Russian_Pskov +25% West_Serbian +25% Lithuanian @ 7,104548
14 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Pskov @ 7,160982
15 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Serbian +25% Latvian @ 7,168215
16 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Lithuanian +25% Montenegro @ 7,178946
17 50% Russian_Pskov +25% South_Romania +25% Lithuanian @ 7,185501
18 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SW +25% Lithuanian @ 7,212625
19 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Romania_SE +25% Lithuanian @ 7,223122
20 50% Russian_Pskov +25% West_Serbian +25% Latvian @ 7,224821
11952428 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bosnian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,529245
2 West_Serbian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,709049
3 Serbian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,72609
4 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,755515
5 Romania_SW+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,800242
6 Croatian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,915334
7 Bosnian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 6,926533
8 Romania_SE+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,013294
9 Serbian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,023359
10 Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,024427
11 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,05945
12 South_Romania+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,066951
13 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,104548
14 Bulgaria+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,160982
15 Serbian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,168215
16 Lithuanian+Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,178946
17 South_Romania+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,185501
18 Romania_SW+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,212625
19 Romania_SE+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,223122
20 West_Serbian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,224821
21 NE_Romania+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,26559
22 Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,281658
23 Bulgaria+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,29504
24 Romania_NW+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,298121
25 Bosnian+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,301818
26 Romania_NW+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,31026
27 Slovak+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,31204
28 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,314466
29 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,318639
30 Romania_SW+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,321826
31 West_Serbian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,322383
32 Bosnian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,348351
33 Slovenian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,354825
34 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,356232
35 Latvian+Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 7,358751
36 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,363841
37 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,372009
38 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,373595
39 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 7,375421
40 Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,389185
233583988 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,481845
2 Russian_Oryol @ 3,565293
3 Russian_Kursk @ 3,654878
4 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,687571
5 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,708318
6 Russian_Smolensk @ 3,837121
7 Belarusian_West @ 3,857017
8 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,904675
9 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,002016
10 PL_Mazovia @ 4,015319
11 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,065144
12 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,077869
13 PL_average @ 4,099789
14 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,165412
15 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,200447
16 Russian_Voronezh @ 4,230872
17 Belarusian_East @ 4,234142
18 Russian_Center @ 4,355337
19 PL_Wielkopolska @ 4,405801
20 PL_South_Poland @ 4,417457
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,191433
2 Latvian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,341397
3 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,422959
4 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,425117
5 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,442371
6 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,478726
7 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,479518
8 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,481845
9 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,500669
10 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,504135
11 Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,51776
12 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,522579
13 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,526862
14 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,542419
15 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,543365
16 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol @ 3,558045
17 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol @ 3,565293
18 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 3,575617
19 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,597056
20 Russian_Oryol+PL_Mazovia @ 3,597057
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,191433
2 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,293108
3 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,313246
4 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,315727
5 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Oryol +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,323908
6 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,32616
7 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,330318
8 50% Latvian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,341397
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,341463
10 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,354702
11 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Smolensk +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,357317
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,36926
13 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Belarusian_West +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,401718
14 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Russian_Pskov +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,402632
15 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kursk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,409828
16 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,415963
17 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Oryol +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,416568
18 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Novgorod +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,421329
19 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Pl_Kashubians +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,423632
20 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,425117
13461196 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,341463
2 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,36926
3 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,389638
4 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,401718
5 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,410014
6 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,415963
7 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,424758
8 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,434471
9 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,43603
10 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,437384
11 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,442371
12 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,443657
13 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,44422
14 Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,444914
15 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,44557
16 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,455217
17 Belarusian_West+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,456671
18 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,462415
19 Russian_Oryol+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,4642
20 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,467609
21 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,468519
22 Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,469368
23 Belarusian_East+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,472395
24 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,478726
25 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,479518
26 Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,481845
27 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,482908
28 Russian_Oryol+Russian_Oryol+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Pskov @ 3,483182
29 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,483459
30 PL_Mazovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,487353
31 Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,487482
32 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,4875
33 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,490689
34 Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,49176
35 Belarusian_West+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,493395
36 Russian_Bryansk+Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,493437
37 Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,4948
38 Belarusian_West+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,496011
39 Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,496311
40 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,498005
363200118 iterations.

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borisovichi пишет:

Наверное какое-то очень дальнее родство по линии мамы

А я то считала, что с Полтавщиной я по папе связана. Все мои расчеты рушаться.... Мама была удочерена, но родом с Ровенской области. Ладно.. время и новые тесты покажут

Ищу предков Чуркины, Копейкины(Россия, Волгоградская, Саратовская обл.),   Лубенские, Полуян, Британ (Украина, Днепропетровская область), Болдыревы, Кандаковы (Россия, Ростовская обл), Козловы, Шуварские (Брестская область)
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FindMyRoots пишет:

А я то считала, что с Полтавщиной я по папе связана. Все мои расчеты рушаться.... Мама была удочерена, но родом с Ровенской области. Ладно.. время и новые тесты покажут

Обратите внимание на Оракул Хуторянского с обновленными популяциями
У него показана близость к выборкам Волыни, Житомира, Полесья


В Полтавщину тоже ж люди откуда то пришли   smile

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Готов результат по Квач из Пирятина:


Dyachenko    45.63    21.62    13    3rd Cousin    2nd Cousin - 4th Cousin
Yaremenko    44.60    8.59    15    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Pavelko    169.07    22.96    28    2nd Cousin    2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Okara    141.12    33.97    21    2nd Cousin    2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin
KHUTORIANSKYI    713.36    71.89    51    1st Cousin    1st Cousin, Aunt/ Uncle, Niece/ Nephew
Khutoriansky    50.9891815186    8.2477197647    16    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin

Все предикции ФТДНА совпали с документальной генеалогией   smile


Еще среди совпаденцев Коцюба и Ковбасюк курируемые уважаемым iromko
Также Квачева из Ставрополя   smile

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4 Ancestors Oracle
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions по Квач


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,99781
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,083715
3 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,228482
4 Ukrainian_Central @ 8,472176
5 PL_Mazovia @ 8,881066
6 Belarusian_East @ 9,065454
7 Belarusian_West @ 9,271614
8 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 9,762112
9 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 10,021183
10 PL_average @ 10,045866
11 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,065785
12 Russian_Smolensk @ 10,265747
13 PL_Sudovia @ 10,554367
14 Russian_Oryol @ 10,748492
15 Russian_Kursk @ 11,081941
16 PL_Wielkopolska @ 11,249598
17 PL_South_Poland @ 11,558165
18 Pl_Kashubians @ 11,799095
19 Russian_Center @ 11,838627
20 Russian_Voronezh @ 11,952522
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,866021
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,989782
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,99781
4 Slovak+Lithuanian @ 7,019426
5 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 7,028044
6 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,118559
7 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia @ 7,279281
8 Slovak+PL_Sudovia @ 7,304185
9 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,306804
10 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,361075
11 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,540274
12 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,603046
13 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia @ 7,679738
14 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,70857
15 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,728652
16 Lithuanian+PL_South_Poland @ 7,78673
17 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 7,835783
18 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central @ 7,871584
19 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Central @ 7,883524
20 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 7,893759
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,308395
2 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Carpathian_Rusyns @ 6,398988
3 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,48059
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Central +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,507643
5 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Slovak +25% Lithuanian @ 6,53032
6 50% Lithuanian +25% Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,57058
7 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Carpathian_Rusyns +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,589695
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,60847
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Slovak +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,614043
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 6,648692
11 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_Central @ 6,671739
12 50% Lithuanian +25% West_Serbian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,672151
13 50% Lithuanian +25% Croatian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,679906
14 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Slovak +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,728752
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,7366
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% PL_South_Poland @ 6,759018
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,770229
18 50% Lithuanian +25% NE_Romania +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,775054
19 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% PL_Mazovia @ 6,788758
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 6,815584
11841983 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,308395
2 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,398988
3 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,48059
4 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,507643
5 Slovak+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,53032
6 Serbian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,57058
7 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,589695
8 Croatian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,590547
9 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,60847
10 Slovak+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,614043
11 Serbian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,623011
12 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,647841
13 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,648692
14 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,671739
15 West_Serbian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,672151
16 Croatian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,679906
17 Slovak+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,701645
18 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,70962
19 Slovak+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,728752
20 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,73247
21 Bosnian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,7366
22 Slovenian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,745016
23 Lithuanian+Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,753044
24 Lithuanian+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,759018
25 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,770229
26 NE_Romania+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,775054
27 Slovak+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,77813
28 Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,785145
29 PL_Sudovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,788758
30 NE_Romania+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,791858
31 Bosnian+Lithuanian+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,802462
32 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,815584
33 Slovak+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,816555
34 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,818591
35 Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_Central+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,830951
36 Slovak+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Central+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,832318
37 PL_Sudovia+PL_South_Poland+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,832384
38 Carpathian_Rusyns+PL_Sudovia+PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,8381
39 PL_Sudovia+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,843582
40 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,843828
224016876 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,419588
3 Pl_Kashubians @ 3,528401
4 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,533948
5 Russian_Oryol @ 3,808887
6 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 3,827045
7 PL_Mazovia @ 3,84614
8 Russian_Bryansk @ 3,848794
9 PL_average @ 3,906838
10 Belarusian_West @ 3,931309
11 Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,937421
12 Belarusian_Polesye @ 4,00432
13 Belarusian_East @ 4,072289
14 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,079898
15 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,088954
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,227835
17 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,240936
18 PL_South_Poland @ 4,347215
19 Slovak @ 4,3608
20 Ukrainian_West @ 4,486785
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,061017
2 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143996
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
4 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,207461
5 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,218536
6 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,245834
7 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,278708
8 Latvian+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,293723
9 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,314519
10 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,335763
11 Pl_Kashubians+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,346948
12 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,383389
13 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,388014
14 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,399566
15 PL_Wielkopolska+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,41344
16 Austria+Lithuanian @ 3,415683
17 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,419588
18 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,432592
19 Belarusian_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,438205
20 Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,444562
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,061017
2 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143996
3 50% Lithuanian +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,164036
4 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,19753
5 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,206987
6 50% Pl_Kashubians +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,207461
7 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,218536
8 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,219102
9 50% Lithuanian +25% PL_SE_Carpathia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,22033
10 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,222317
11 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,227302
12 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,229744
13 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% German_East +25% Lithuanian @ 3,235553
14 50% PL_Wielkopolska +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,236619
15 50% Lithuanian +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,237893
16 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,24012
17 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,242459
18 50% Lithuanian +25% Sorb_Lusatia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,242618
19 50% PL_Mazovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,245834
20 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Russian_Bryansk +25% PL_Sudovia @ 3,246165
12434929 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143475
2 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,143996
3 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,184381
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
5 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,19753
6 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,206471
7 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,206987
8 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,219102
9 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,227302
10 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,236619
11 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,24012
12 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,242459
13 PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,245834
14 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,247008
15 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,250646
16 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,251443
17 Belarusian_West+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,252204
18 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,252612
19 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,255799
20 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,259355
21 Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,264917
22 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,265177
23 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,278708
24 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,28014
25 Belarusian_West+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,282239
26 Belarusian_East+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,284769
27 Belarusian_West+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,288055
28 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Mazovia+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,290018
29 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,290135
30 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,29105
31 Pl_north+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,29424
32 Russian_Bryansk+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,298412
33 Belarusian_Polesye+PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,299034
34 PL_Mazovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,304715
35 PL_Wielkopolska+PL_SE_Carpathia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,308112
36 Russian_Smolensk+PL_Wielkopolska+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,312629
37 Russian_Oryol+PL_Wielkopolska+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,312937
38 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,313978
39 Belarusian_Polesye+Belarusian_Polesye+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,314519
40 Russian_Bryansk+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,314814
277616013 iterations.


Далековато от "малой" Полтавы   smile
За счет половины из Пирятина, который в одно время в 17 веке приписывался к Черниговскому воеводству
(это я вчера Кулаковского перечитывал )))

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 6,99781
2 Ukraine_Poltava @ 7,320207
3 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,083715
4 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,228482
5 Ukraine_Kharkov @ 8,22933
6 Ukrainian_Central @ 8,472176
7 PL_Mazovia @ 8,881066
8 Belarusian_East @ 9,065454
9 Belarusian_West @ 9,271614
10 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 9,762112
376 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Poltava @ 6,271621
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,318376
3 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava @ 6,390193
4 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,402196
5 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,456843
6 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,56668
7 PL_Mazovia+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,647769
8 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,672997
9 Belarusian_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,680938
10 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 6,776241
70876 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,393025
2 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Lithuanian @ 5,575044
3 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,591556
4 50% Ukraine_Poltava +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,641272
5 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Volhyn +25% Lithuanian @ 5,64386
6 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,681021
7 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Sorb_Lusatia +25% Lithuanian @ 5,741132
8 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,751481
9 50% Ukrainian_North_East +25% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,761875
10 50% Ukraine_Kharkov +25% Ukraine_Poltava +25% Lithuanian @ 5,795969
16857913 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,297986
2 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,380903
3 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,393025
4 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,499941
5 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,549959
6 Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,575044
7 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,591556
8 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,641272
9 Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,64386
10 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,644661
11 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,681021
12 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,683462
13 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,693895
14 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_Chernigov+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,694563
15 Slovak+Ukraine_Poltava+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,733805
16 Sorb_Lusatia+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,741132
17 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 5,751481
18 PL_Sudovia+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Poltava @ 5,761875
19 Ukrainian_Central+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Kharkov+Lithuanian @ 5,768771
20 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn+Ukraine_Poltava+Lithuanian @ 5,769436
276500087 iterations.



Gaussian method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_North_East @ 3,195742
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,419588
3 Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,450734
4 Pl_Kashubians @ 3,528401
5 PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,605223
6 Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,641236
7 Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,681
8 Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,779057
9 PL_Behar @ 3,793968
10 Russian_Oryol @ 3,808887
376 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Ukraine_Zythomir+Lithuanian @ 2,587486
2 PL_Sudovia+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,675122
3 Ukraine_Zythomir+Latvian @ 2,767833
4 Pl_Kashubians+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 2,857432
5 Pl_Kashubians+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,899164
6 PL_Wielkopolska+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,978426
7 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,054601
8 Ukrainian_North_East+Lithuanian @ 3,061017
9 Ukrainian_North_East+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,071762
10 Ukraine_Zythomir+Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,078795
70876 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Lithuanian @ 2,819687
2 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Pl_north +25% Lithuanian @ 2,85422
3 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Latvian @ 2,908517
4 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Belarusian_Polesye +25% Lithuanian @ 2,923184
5 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Pl_north +25% Latvian @ 2,942464
6 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Sweden +25% Lithuanian @ 2,945335
7 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov +25% Lithuanian @ 2,960904
8 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% Belarusian_West +25% Lithuanian @ 2,96758
9 50% PL_Sudovia +25% Ukrainian_North_East +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 2,972518
10 50% Ukraine_Zythomir +25% PL_Mazovia +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 2,978372
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Да, кому-то надо править средние значения в Полтавской выборке   smile

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KHUTORIANSKYI    479.06    49.44    39    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 2nd Cousin
Kvach    395.51    46.65    30    2nd Cousin (1st Cousin 1R)    1st Cousin - 3rd Cousin
Okara    44.33    9.65    15    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Sergienko    37.60    12.01    12    -    4th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Sergiienko    49.81    10.08    19    -    4th Cousin - Remote Cousin
Баран    20.59    8.26    6    -    5th Cousin - Remote Cousin


4 Ancestors Oracle
Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,272776
2 Ukrainian_Central @ 7,774049
3 Russian_Oryol @ 7,93192
4 Ukrainian_West @ 8,079967
5 Russian_Kursk @ 8,220976
6 Russian_Voronezh @ 8,38883
7 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,801279
8 Russian_Center @ 9,030998
9 Russian_Tambov @ 9,061487
10 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 9,125316
11 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,194356
12 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 9,283584
13 PL_South_Poland @ 9,488822
14 Ukrainian_North_East @ 9,566804
15 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 9,575201
16 Russian_Smolensk @ 9,69675
17 Slovak @ 9,82617
18 PL_average @ 9,857308
19 Moldavian @ 9,868027
20 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 10,178392
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Russian_Kursk+Moldavian @ 6,152683
2 Moldavian+Russian_Pskov @ 6,223868
3 Moldavian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 6,394329
4 Russian_Meshtchyora+Moldavian @ 6,401303
5 Russian_Center+Moldavian @ 6,48973
6 Slovak+Russian_Meshtchyora @ 6,574156
7 Russian_Meshtchyora+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,577654
8 Russian_Smolensk+Moldavian @ 6,791426
9 Russian_Meshtchyora+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 6,817828
10 Russian_Rostov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,827612
11 Russian_Oryol+Moldavian @ 6,835032
12 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_West @ 6,902384
13 Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,918064
14 Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 6,936642
15 Moldavian+Russian_Rostov @ 6,98698
16 Slovak+Russian_Kursk @ 7,001412
17 Croatian+Russian_Pskov @ 7,004128
18 Russian_Voronezh+Moldavian @ 7,013092
19 Slovak+Russian_Rostov @ 7,034799
20 Russian_Oryol+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 7,069697
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,426914
2 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,497773
3 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk +25% Moldavian @ 5,50032
4 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Serbian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,518721
5 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,563809
6 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 5,577988
7 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bulgaria +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,596427
8 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,608572
9 50% Russian_Kursk +25% West_Serbian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,63945
10 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 5,641034
11 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 5,660603
12 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% West_Serbian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,6764
13 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,682415
14 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Romania_NW +25% Russian_Novgorod @ 5,686562
15 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Bosnian +25% Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,69948
16 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% South_Romania +25% Russian_Pskov @ 5,701601
17 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 5,70833
18 50% Russian_Meshtchyora +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,716913
19 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Russian_Kostroma +25% Moldavian @ 5,725739
20 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Serbian +25% Russian_Meshtchyora @ 5,731327
10207285 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,293401
2 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,294382
3 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,358897
4 West_Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,377513
5 Serbian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,415126
6 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,42662
7 Bosnian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,426914
8 Bosnian+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,442492
9 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,447364
10 Bulgaria+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,453889
11 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,463899
12 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,483733
13 West_Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,487654
14 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Rostov @ 5,496185
15 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,497773
16 Bosnian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,498234
17 Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Moldavian+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,50032
18 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,501031
19 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,501169
20 Serbian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,513922
21 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk @ 5,518721
22 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,51896
23 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,520839
24 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,523802
25 South_Romania+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,524624
26 Romania_NW+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,531529
27 West_Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,534268
28 Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Montenegro+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,537013
29 Serbian+Russian_Center+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,542181
30 Bosnian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Rostov @ 5,5435
31 Serbian+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,563809
32 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Meshtchyora+Russian_Pskov @ 5,565327
33 Bosnian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Central+Russian_Pskov @ 5,567895
34 Bosnian+Russian_Vyatka+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,568086
35 Serbian+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,57014
36 Serbian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Smolensk @ 5,570823
37 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Russian_Pskov @ 5,572768
38 Bosnian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod @ 5,577988
39 Bulgaria+Russian_Kostroma+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,57806
40 West_Serbian+Russian_Center+Russian_North_Solvychegodsk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,579014
148050996 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Central @ 4,272298
2 Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,544669
3 Russian_Voronezh @ 4,627803
4 Slovak @ 4,643565
5 PL_average @ 4,830192
6 Russian_Smolensk @ 4,836712
7 PL_South_Poland @ 4,9564
8 Sorb_Lusatia @ 5,023625
9 PL_Upper_Silesia @ 5,065924
10 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 5,100291
11 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 5,161387
12 Ukrainian_West @ 5,248892
13 Czechs_Moravians @ 5,334022
14 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 5,407654
15 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 5,411395
16 Belarusian_West @ 5,444129
17 Croatian @ 5,452552
18 Belarusian_East @ 5,530705
19 PL_Mazovia @ 5,535337
20 Ukrainian_North_East @ 5,540948
336 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Slovak+Russian_Voronezh @ 4,022096
2 Bosnian+Latvian @ 4,036753
3 Russian_Kursk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,050982
4 Carpathian_Rusyns+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 4,059079
5 Bosnian+Lithuanian @ 4,075098
6 Russian_Voronezh+PL_Upper_Silesia @ 4,076434
7 Russian_Smolensk+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,083871
8 Russian_Oryol+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,096257
9 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,100549
10 West_Serbian+Latvian @ 4,122962
11 Russian_Voronezh+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,130355
12 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 4,134559
13 Russian_Voronezh+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 4,139084
14 Serbian+Latvian @ 4,151235
15 Russian_Voronezh+PL_SE_Carpathia @ 4,170798
16 Bosnian+Russian_Pskov @ 4,181162
17 West_Serbian+Lithuanian @ 4,184991
18 Carpathian_Rusyns+Ukrainian_Central @ 4,196811
19 Russian_Voronezh+PL_South_Poland @ 4,205768
20 Belarusian_East+Carpathian_Rusyns @ 4,222658
56616 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3,790082
2 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,800534
3 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,806271
4 50% Lithuanian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3,846992
5 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,849975
6 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,874469
7 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,889949
8 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Kursk @ 3,906675
9 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,91854
10 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,921026
11 50% Russian_Pskov +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Oryol @ 3,922967
12 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian @ 3,92378
13 50% Russian_Kursk +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,930935
14 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Russian_Pskov @ 3,933092
15 50% Russian_Oryol +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Lithuanian @ 3,935242
16 50% Russian_Smolensk +25% Bosnian +25% Latvian @ 3,940554
17 50% Russian_Ryazan_Tula +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian @ 3,946651
18 50% Latvian +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,949433
19 50% Ukrainian_Poltava +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Latvian @ 3,951531
20 50% Latvian +25% Bosnian +25% Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,951546
14857484 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk @ 3,790082
2 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,800534
3 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,806271
4 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,830472
5 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,839087
6 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 3,846992
7 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 3,849975
8 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,864462
9 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,866858
10 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk @ 3,867073
11 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,871068
12 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,874469
13 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,874985
14 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,878635
15 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,883477
16 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,889197
17 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,889949
18 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Pskov+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,89586
19 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,896742
20 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,896921
21 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,897346
22 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol @ 3,898054
23 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,900866
24 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Ryazan_Tula+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,90591
25 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,906675
26 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Belarusian_Polesye+Russian_Kursk @ 3,906721
27 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Pskov @ 3,909672
28 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 3,911782
29 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Novgorod @ 3,916877
30 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+PL_Mazovia+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,917354
31 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,918399
32 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Ukrainian_Poltava+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,91854
33 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Smolensk @ 3,921026
34 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+PL_Mazovia @ 3,921365
35 Swiss_Italian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov+Russian_Pskov @ 3,922967
36 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Novgorod+Ukrainian_Poltava @ 3,923346
37 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Kursk+Russian_Kursk @ 3,92378
38 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Oryol+Russian_Pskov @ 3,923978
39 Swiss_Italian+Latvian+Russian_Smolensk+Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 3,927702
40 Swiss_Italian+Lithuanian+Russian_Kursk+PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 3,928767
527398942 iterations.


Надеюсь, включаем в Полтавскую выборку   smile

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

Готов результат У-12 третьего Хуторянского
На удивление быстрее сделали чем ФФ из того же батча (заявлено было ФФ 3-4 недели, У- 6 недель, сделали У- за 3,5 нед)


Итак, со вторым Хуторянским отличие 0 на 12 маркерах, с первым -1
С учетом скорого ФФ интересно будет связать по крайней мере 2 и 3 Хуторянских
Напомню, 1 и 2 Хуторянские далеки друг от друга, далее устной генеалогии, что подтверждает и дистанция по У-ку


Кстати, уже начали загружать ФФ: Хуторянского, Квач (жен) и Корейва (жен)
Любимая песня ФТДНА - загружать в течении нескольких дней с конца (с древних компонент)
Надеюсь завтра утром кто-то уже появится   smile

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Второй раз за относительно короткий промежуток времени по совпадениям выпадает село Святкова Велика
Подкарпатского воеводства Польши


Если раньше традиционно думалось что это у нас от них "входящее" совпадение времен ориентировочно 2 пол 17 века
То совсем выпало из зрения что может быть и наоборот - "исходящее" от нас и временен попозже лет на 100


В связи с чем вопрос
Известны ли случаи относительно массовых переселений из Левобережной Украины (может Надднепрянщины), в Подкарпатское воеводсвто, в период разделов Речи Посполитой, например около 1785 года


Обращает на себя внимание ситуация в Святкова Велика
В период с 1765 по 1785 количество дворов в селе увеличилось более чем в три раза

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Re: "Полтавщина" и ее заселение, геногеографический проект

"Полтавская" виборка - 9 человек
Компоненти Eurogenes K36


PopulationSokhan_Poltava1Polomij_Poltava2Lytvyn_Poltava3Zlobynetz_Poltava4Kalnyk_Poltava5Khutoryanskiy_Poltava6Okara_Poltava7Khutoriansky_Poltava8Pyshnenko_Poltava9
Amerindian0,000,000,000,000,160,000,000,000,00
Arabian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,001,051,51
Armenian0,000,000,600,000,890,000,120,000,67
Basque2,210,000,002,402,891,381,691,290,00
Central_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Central_Euro10,104,977,885,339,2710,309,265,315,20
East_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Balkan7,698,968,507,8910,367,567,177,539,46
East_Centr_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
East_Centr_Euro23,7021,0527,2121,5126,1924,9725,9729,2520,25
East_Med0,000,110,000,000,000,000,000,000,67
Eastern_Euro16,7616,7014,5518,0915,7914,2616,5917,8818,47
Fennoscandian10,479,3811,5611,0711,3212,1810,6210,1414,30
French3,623,695,846,002,511,232,483,434,50
Iberian8,087,380,582,243,608,352,953,913,30
Indo_Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Italian6,056,064,746,781,164,249,238,686,62
Malayan0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Near_Eastern0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
North_African0,000,000,000,000,120,000,470,000,22
North_Atlantic5,135,6011,415,032,909,365,596,464,51
North_Caucasian1,162,931,774,182,810,001,671,163,74
North_Sea3,5210,745,376,007,694,805,700,454,72
Northeast_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Oceanian0,000,700,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Omotic0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Pygmy0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Siberian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
South_Asian0,000,000,000,940,000,000,000,000,00
South_Central_Asian0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,24
South_Chinese0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
Volga_Ural1,511,500,002,552,340,000,473,460,00
West_African0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
West_Caucasian0,000,000,000,000,001,350,000,000,00
West_Med0,000,210,000,000,000,000,000,001,60

10099,98100,01100,01100,0099,9899,98100,0099,98

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FTDNA перешли от слов к практике к почтовой службе DHL…
Неужели это быстрее, или надежнее… транзитом через Франкфурт   smile

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borisovichi пишет:

Надеюсь завтра утром кто-то уже появится


Появились, только не недостающие разделы уже протестированных,
А появились пока еще новые результаты древних компонент новых 2 человек   smile

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Уважаемый участник проекта Хуторянский провел интересный анализ своего ФФ совпаденца из Swiatkowa Wielka
Благодаря разветвленной сети протестированных "клана Хуторянских" он даже с такими не очень большими общими участками (30 / 10 сМ) четко вошел по алгоритму ФТДНА в этот клан (сининький "батьковский" человечек)


А это фрагменты родословного дерева совпаденца из его кабинета ФТДНА



Обращает на себя внимание перечень фамилий, которые напоминают знакомые фамилии из района сел Батьки - Драны
Hutyra - Хуторян, Homik - Хоменко, Dziadyk - Диденко, Dran - Дран, Smereka - Семеренко, Cap - Цап

Некоторые персоны (с поправкой на память за более 200 - летний период), такие как Анна Х. (1781) и Л. Гутира (1750) напоминают нам прихожан церкви Покрова Пресвятой Богородицы за 1782 год

Более того, следы Леонтия Хуторянского после 1782 года больше в селе Батьки не прослеживаются…


И все таки, дабы интрига жила   smile
Мне с трудом верится в историю с "обратными" миграциями из Левобережной Украины аж в Подкарпатское воеводство в период раздела Речи Посполитой между Российской и Австро-Венгерской империями
И инкорпорацию "наших малороссиян" в среду лемков


Но вот этимология фамилии Хуторян из русинской Гутира (Hutyra) на рассмотрение наших специалистов   smile

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Напомню о связи одного из Хуторянских с Карпатскими русинами

Из вот этого сообщения
http://forum.genoua.name/viewtopic.php? … 03#p157303


Pl_Lublin    0,98242
Belarus Polesye    0,97686
Belarus West    0,97438
PL_mixed    0,97235
Ukraine Kiev region    0,97004
Pl_South (Małopolska)    0,96844
Masovia    0,96756
Ukraine Poltava    0,96711
Belarus East    0,96638
Ukraine West    0,9655
Ukraine Chernigov    0,96476
Great Poland (Wielkopolska)    0,96426
Carpathian Rusyns    0,9642
Ukraine Central    0,96385
PL_Subcarpathia    0,96301
Upper_Silesia    0,96291

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